PRIESTS WHO OFFER TRIDENTINE-RITE AND NOVUS ORDO MASS AGREE THAT WE DO NOT DEFACTO KNOW A SINGLE CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE: WE HAVE UNITY ON OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION

It’s not theology, its common sense! Priests  can agree that we Catholics do not know a single case of a person saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance in the present times.

If we do not know a single case then it means:

1. Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct in saying that there is no baptism of desire (that we know of).

2.  Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II on invincible ignorance can be accepted only in principle. It is de jure and never de facto. So it does not contradict the dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So priests who offer the Tridentine Rite and Novus Ordo Mass are back to the centuries-old interpretation of the ex cathedra dogma, extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

No valid objections can be raised in the name of Fr. Leonard Feeney or Vatican Council II.

So we have to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 as a continuation and not a break from the dogma. Similarly we interpret Vatican Council II in accord with the dogma and not as a break,creating  non-traditional new doctrines. Example, the dogma says all need to defacto enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell and not just those who know about the Church.

Those who know about the Church and do not enter as compared to those in invincible ignorance is an issue for God to decide only in personal cases. The dogma says everyone, all, need to enter the Church for salvation. All in the present times. So there is no exception that we can know of on earth, to Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

So are priests who offer the Tridentine Rite Mass and Mass in the local language united on the centuries-old interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation?

Yes! Since if you agree that we know of no de facto case of the baptism of desire in the present times. There are no obstacles, no objections.

The text of the dogma, thrice defined ex cathedra, speaks clearly for itself. It is repeated in present day Magisterial documents.

Based on the Magisterial texts we are  united on extra ecclesiam nulla salus from John 3:5, Mk.16:16, John 6 (on the Eucharist being necessary for salvation), to three definitions of the dogma in the Extraordinary Mode and many other statements from popes in the Ordinary Mode, to Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus and Ecclesia di Eucarestia.


Photos (Top Right). Fr.Settimo Manelli FFI, Parish Priest, Santa Maria di Nazareth on Pentecost Sunday evening talking to a parishioner. (Centre) The Chapel at Santa Maria di Nazareth,Boccea where the evening prayers are held. (Below) Fr.Settimo offering the daily Tridentine Rite Mass at the Church.