Friday, March 30, 2012

JOHN VENNARI DIDN'T NOTICE IT!

He left out the 25th point on why not to reject Limbo!

'Practically every major newspaper carried the story. Headlines such as "Vatican Abolishes Limbo;" "Vatican Report Rejects Limbo;" and "Concept of Limbo Now Assigned to Oblivion" appeared throughout the world.’(1)

‘Yet despite this latest study,' writes John Vennari, ' many intend to hold to the conventional teaching that the souls of infants who die before Baptism do not attain Heaven, because they have not obtained the remission of Original Sin that only Baptism provides. They go to Limbo, a place of natural happiness wherein they suffer no pain of punishment since they are guilty of no personal sin.’

'Listed below are 24 of the chief reasons why I, and thousands of Catholics the world over, will not reject the Catholic doctrine of Limbo:’

In the list of 24 points John Vennari did not mention that the positon paper of the International Theological Commission (ITC) was based on a flaw. It assumed that Lumen Gentium 16 ,Vatican Council II was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Since the ITC assumed that they could change the traditional Church teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, with LG 16, they could also do the same on  Limbo with  LG 16 etc .

John Vennari like the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) has still not pointed out that those saved in invincible ignorance or with a good conscience (LG 16) are not known to us and so they do not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They are not defacto, explicit exceptions to the dogma.

If any one assumes that it does contradict the dogma then it is an objective, common sense error.

John Vennari left out the  important 25th point since the SSPX still says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. This mantra would have to go when the SSPX realizes that invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not defacto, explicit exceptions to every one on earth needing to enter the Church for salvation.

Neither is it an exception to Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II  which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. Nor is it an exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation.

The SSPX did not object to the ITC position paper  The Hope of Salvation for Infants Who Die without Being Baptised (2007) and Christianity and the World Religions (1997).It still has not.

John Vennari may not have noticed it and so he has not written about it.
Lionel Andrades
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1.
24 Reasons Why Not To Reject Limbo

John Vennari
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/e012rp_Limbo24Reasons.html

Thursday, March 29, 2012
International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?

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