Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Vatican Council II like the dogma says all need to enter the Church for salvation

Comment on the webblog Our Lady's Tears

Paul says :

I will add one caveat for the sake of those who might follow the thought of Fr. Leonard Feeney: and who exactly is "outside the Church"? Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, No. 14) provides answer: "Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved."

Lionel:

Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) ‘all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7

Vatican Council II like the dogma says all need to enter the Church for salvation.

Paul:
To those who mistakenly believe that membership in the Church alone is necessary for salvation,

Lionel:
This is the teaching of Vatican Council II so we cannot be mistaken.

Paul:
the same document teaches that, "He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a 'bodily' manner and not 'in his heart.'

Lionel:
Yes and we do not know personally who these cases are. They are known only to God. So they do not contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7)

Paul:
All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged."

Lionel:
True.
So we believe all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation and it is only God who will decide who 'knew' and who is in invincible ignorance and who is a part of the body of the Church but does not persevere in charity.

So all need to enter the Church with no known exceptions and it is only God who will decide to whom the faith was preache to and they did not enter; who knew about Jesus and the Church and yet they did not convert.

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