So even if John Vennari,Doug Bersaw, Gary Potter, John Sharpe and the others are not indifferentists and and even affirm the traditional interpretation of the dogma and the Syllabus do they assume that Vatican Counciil II is a traditional Council with traditional values on other religions , ecumenism and religious liberty ?
Does Robert Sungenis consider LG 16 an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation?
None of the speakers at the Rebuilding Christiandom Conference (1) to be held this week in Washington have ever said that Vatican Council II is in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Catholic Tradition.
On the contrary some of them are criticial of Vatican Council II since they assume that the Council mentions explicit exceptions to the dogma on salvation and to the Syllabus.
So if Vatican Council II is not in sync with the dogma and the Syllabus for the speakers, then this is no basis to build a foundation for what could otherwise be a good conference.
If for them, Vatican Council II indicates there is salvation outside the Church it means they are interpreting the Council (LG 16 etc) with the liberal errors and in particular that of Cardinal Richard Cushing.
He assumed that those saved in invincible ignorance and with implicit desire are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Fr.Leonard Feeney. Implicit desire is irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma or to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Even today good people say innocently that every one needs to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance etc which are exceptions to the dogma.
For John Vennari for example Vatican Council II contradicts the Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The fault is there not with the Council but with those, who like Cushing, assume the dead are visible and so these cases are cited as exceptions to the dogma.For them there is salvation outside the church.
So even if John Vennari,Doug Bersaw, Gary Potter, John Sharpe and the others are not indifferentists and and even affirm the traditional interpretation of the dogma and the Syllabus do they assume that Vatican Counciil II is a traditional Council with traditional values on other religions , ecumenism and religious liberty ?
Without the Richard Cushing Error the speakers perspective on Vatican Council II would change and their understanding of the Council would become traditional.
The Sisters of St.Benedict, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Worcester,USA affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation similar to the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) July 19,2012 communique.The Sisters interpret Vatican council II according to Fr.Leonard Feeney and not Cardinal Richard Cushing.
For them Vatican Council II (AG 7) affirms the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney while invincible ignorance etc (LG 16) are not exceptions to the dogma.
This religious community granted full canonical status knows there is no salvation outside the church.So the theology of religions and ecclesiology of communion would be irrational for them.
They acknowledge the possibility of a non Catholic being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire however for them this would also include receiving the baptism of water provided in a way known only to God.
Since there is no salvation outside the Chruch ,there being no known exceptions,this year or during the last 100 years or more,Vatican Council II is in accord with Tradition. The Council is traditional.The Council does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors, Pascendi, Mystici Corporis and of course extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
-Lionel Andrades
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SSPX could accept Vatican Council II 'in line with the doctrine of Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius X, Benedict XIV, Pius XI and Pius XII'
John Vennari affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but does not apply it to Vatican Council II because of the Richard Cushing misunderstanding.
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