Saturday, May 31, 2014

Joseph Shaw removes comments

Joseph Shaw has removed comments from his blog post LMS Chairman related to the Conference held last Saturday in London in which Bishop Schneider and others spoke about Vatican Council II , the liturgy and evangelisation. He has removed the comments stating that they were not related to the subject.
In the comments I had expressed my view . I said that Vatican Council II without the use of  a false premise by Joseph Shaw and Bishop Athanasius Schneider, was in perfect harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditional understanding of evangelisation. So my view was related to the subject of the conference.He did not want to discuss it.

  Joseph  Shaw says in a comment that he affirms all the Church Councils and the teachings on salvation.However he  does not clarify, when asked,  if he interprets these magisterial documents, including Vatican Council, with an irrational premise (of being able to see the dead saved who are living exceptions to the dogma on salvation).So when he says he accepts the the Church Councils and Vatican Council II (AG 7), is it with or without the irrational premise.One view is traditional the other is heresy.
 
Even the liberal Gavin D'Costa would say that he accepts all the teachings of the Catholic Church and for him the Church teaches( he says so on a video) that all do not need to enter the Church for salvation. He infers there are exceptions.
 
For Joseph Shaw who is the Chairman of the Latin Mass Society, it would be normal for a Catholic priest or lay person, to offer or attend the Traditional Latin Mass, while inferring that there are known exceptions to the traditional and ex cathedra teachings on salvation. He probably affirms this error at Oxford where he is a lecturer on philosophy.
 
So his message to Catholics, who attend the TLM and do not know philosphy or theology, is that there are EXCEPTIONS to the traditional teaching of popes and saints. He is telling them that when Jesus said 'Go out and proclaim the Good News and baptize all nations in my name', all in England, do not need to be baptized since there are some EXCEPTIONS known to Gavin D'Costta and Joseph  Shaw. There is a change in the traditional understanding of the Great Commission.
 
Even though I said that Vatican Council II is in agreement with Tradition, Joseph Shaw will not affirm this, neither will be correct me, even after studying philosophy and theology.
-Lionel Andrades

Joseph Shaw responds but only about being rude,boring and spam

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/joseph-shaw-responds-but-only-about.html#links

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