Tuesday, June 17, 2014

The Good Thief is not an exception to all needing the baptism of water

Athanasius:
The primary example would be the Good Thief who died repentant asking Our Lord to remember him. Now this man had not received baptism yet he offered his suffering and death in atonement for his sins – baptism of blood. He desired salvation and Our Lord granted it to him “this day you will be with me in paradise.”

Lionel:
Please clarify your terms.
You could be assuming that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are VISIBLE, persons seen in the flesh.
For me they are INVISIBLE, cases known only to God.
Since for me the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, or ‘ a ray of the Truth’(NA 2) , refer to persons invisible for us , I have no problem with the Good Thief being saved with or without the baptism of water.
If there is such a case in 2014 it would not be an exception, for me, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades

http://catholictruthblog.com/2014/06/14/bishop-schneider-schism-looming/#comment-16915

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