Tuesday, June 17, 2014

This ‘theoretical’ case can be saved.Once again I am asking you to please clarify your terms

Editor:  
the only reason this post is getting through is because it is loosely related to the topic and I am trying one more time to show where you are in grave error. Two hypotheses follow:
1) Mr X desires baptism. He deeply wishes to die a Catholic. Has instruction. Prays the Rosary. Loves the Faith. Can’t wait for his Baptism. He is in a car accident and dies the day before his Baptism was due to take place in his local parish. Is he inside or outside the Church – in God’s eyes? Clearly, unless God is completely unreasonable, that man dies a member of the Catholic Church. Therefore, there is no exception. He dies a Catholic.
Lionel:
Yes. This ‘theoretical’ case can be saved.Once again I am asking you to please clarify your terms.Are you referring to a case which is theoretical for you or which you practically know about it.
Since if it is a theoretical case for you then it is not an exception to the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Please review these two links.
 
Why do you use the words ‘visible’ and ‘invisible’ ?: It is because others are using it unknown to them
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Editor:
2) Mr Y – for whatever reason – has never heard of the Catholic Church. He longs to do God’s will in all things. He prays to do God’s will in all things. He dies without ever having heard of the Catholic Church. In God’s eyes, is he a member of Christ’s Church ?(always objectively speaking of course) IF he dies a member of Christ’s Church, then he is not an exception.
Lionel:
(always objectively speaking of course) What do you mean by always objectively speaking ??? This cannot be an objective case for you. This person is in Heaven. He is not objectively known to you.
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Editor:
You are confused. If the Church taught that non-Christians would be saved in their own religion – THAT would be an exception. But the Church does not teach that.There are no exceptions but in certain cases where souls desire to be part of the Church but are prevented through no fault of their own, the baptism is conferred directly by God, to put it as clearly as I am able to manage right now. If this isn’t clear enough to end your confusion, I am truly giving up and would question your good faith.
Lionel:
Please clarify your terms.
When you say ‘but in certain cases where souls desire to be part of the Church but are prevented through no fault of their own, the baptism is conferred directly by God’ is this a hyopthetical case or one known for a fact, this year, for you?
-Lionel Andrades

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