Comitato dell'Immacolata ask for a clarification

The "Committee of the Immaculate" ("Comitato dell'Immacolata")established and supported by the lay members of the Mission of the Immaculate Mediatrix (Missione dell'Immacolata Mediatrice) , Franciscan Third Order of the Immaculate Conception (Ordine Terziario Francescano dell'Immacolata) and family members of Franciscans of the Immaculate religious, is a spontaneous group according to the website of the Franciscans of the Immaculate spokesman Fr.Alfonso Bruno.

It is further said that the Comitato dell'Immacolata does not represent the Franciscans of the Immaculate.

 

ASK FR.VOLPI TO CLARIFY

The Comitato dell'Immacolata which does not claim to represent the Franciscans of the Immaculate must claim that Fr.Fidenzio Volpi the Commissioner for the Franciscans of the Immaculate ,Fr.Alfonso Bruno and Fr.Angelo Geiger want all Catholics to accept Vatican Council II using a falsehood and irrationality in the interpretation.This has not been denied by Fr.Alfonso Bruno,Fr.Geiger or the Vatican spokesman Fr. Frederico Lombardi.

For full canonical privileges, the right to offer the Traditional Latin Mass and to teach Catholic doctrine freely at their seminaries, the Franciscans of the Immaculate must claim that all salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II is visible in the flesh.It must be alleged that dead persons now in Heaven are physically visible on earth. Then it must be claimed that these ' ghosts' are real   exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.These visible-dead persons it must be alleged according to the Vatican Curia, are examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.It is based on this falsehood and irrationality the Franciscan Friars and Sisters will have to conduct ecumenism and inter religious dialogue as do Fr. Alfonso Bruno.

ASK THE VICARIATE IN ROME TWO QUESTIONS

The Comitato dell'Immacolata  could ask for TWO QUESTIONS to be clarified by the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome:               
  S.E. Mons. Guerino DI TORA
• Pastorale Sanitaria
S.E. Mons. Lorenzo LEUZZI
• Settore Est
S.E. Mons. Giuseppe MARCIANTE
• Settore Sud
S.E. Mons. Paolino SCHIAVON
• Settore Ovest
S.E. Mons. Paolo SELVADAGI
• Settore Centro
S.E. Mons. Matteo Maria ZUPPI
• Ausiliare Emerito
S.E. Mons. Enzo DIECI

 

Ask them their answer to the TWO QUESTIONS. Ask them what must be the answer to these TWO QUESTIONS by the persecuted members of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.This issue is related to other religious communities in Rome and also to diocesan religious.Here are the TWO QUESTIONS  related to Vatican Council II.

 

TWO QUESTIONS

1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ?

2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible to us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?

 

 IS THIS INTERPRETATION ACCEPTABLE?

 

The Comitato dell'Immacolata should also bring it to the attention of Fr.Alfonso Bruno, that I, Lionel Andrades, affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as interpreted by the Church Councils, the popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.

 

For me LG 16( invincible ignorance), LG 8 (elements of sanctification and truth), UR 3( imperfect communion with the Church),NA 2( a ray of the Truth),AG 11(seeds of the Word) refer to cases invisible for us and visible only for God. I accept an implicit for us baptism of desire and reject an explicit for us baptism of desire.I accept these cases in principle. I reject them as being de facto known to us in the present times and in personal cases.So there is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition.Since hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014.

 

So ask Fr.Alfonso Bruno if he accepts this interpretation of Vatican Council II and if the Franciscans of the Immaculate can also accept this interpretation. Also ask him if all Catholic religious communities can accept this interpretation of Vatican Council II.

Please note that Fr.Angelo Geiger will not affirm Vatican Council II as I ( Lionel) do since he does not want to affirm, in public,extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I repeat: The Comitato dell'Immacolata must ask the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome, the Vatican Curia and their spokespersons, and Fr.Fidenzio Volpi if the Franciscans of the Immaculate can accept Vatican Council II as interpreted by Lionel Andrades.

-Lionel Andrades