Thursday, August 14, 2014

When Michael Voris affirms outside the Church there is no salvation he must do it in agreement with Vatican Council II

Over this week I have asked the sedevacantists Most Holy Family Monastery (MHFM) two questions and they will not answer them. They are acting as if all is normal. Similarly Michael Voris will not respond to those same two question s with respect to Vatican Council II. Michael Voris has been critical of Medugorje, yet he like so many traditionalists who have discerned about Medugorje, are making a major error in Catholic doctrine and are not aware of it. Likewise the Apostolic Commissioer of the Franciscans of the Immaculate(FFI) Fr.Fidenzio Volpi Ofm.Cap., wants the FFI to accept Vatican Council II with the same error in the interpretation made by Michael Voris and Peter and Michael Dimond of the MHFM. Michael Voris correctly asks Fr.Jonathan Morris to name the person among us who does not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.Voris is saying that every one needs faith and baptism for salvation and there are no exceptions.So Fr.Morris would not be able to name any one who is a defacto exception. For me this means all those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincibe ignorance are not known cases in the present times the dogma ons alavtion.They cannot be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014. So de facto every one needs the baptism of water in 2014 for salvation and Michael Voris would not know any one saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), seeds of the Word(AG 11), a ray of the Truth (NA 2), elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8)etc.So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church. Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors or the Catechism of Pope Pius X.There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II unless, one implies implicit cases are explicit. Implicit for us caes, possibilities, hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions to Michael Voris' concept of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He correctly says that there are only Catholics in Heaven. So when Michael Voris affirms outside the Church there is no salvation he must do it in agreement with Vatican Council II. He must understand that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma on salvation. -Lionel Andrades August 13, 2014 Do Michael Voris, Louie Verrechio and others realize they are making the same fault as Fr.Jonathan Morris? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/do-michael-voris-louie-verrechio-and.html

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