Thursday, October 23, 2014

Revolutionary Doctrines on the Family

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Revolutionary Doctrines on the Family

Much is being said about the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops just completed. Typically for such an event, ecclesiastical politics of the worst sort were on display, as can be seen from the excellent reportage ofSandro Magister and Rorate Caeli. In this respect, we have just witnessed a repeat performance of the kind of procedural manipulation very well documented to have taken place at Vatican II.
But more important than the politics is the doctrine, as reflected in the Relatio post disceptationem, that scandalous document that caused such a firestorm and then much consequent blowback, and which was capably critiqued on our web site by Dr. Maike Hickson.
This document was produced by the Kasperite revolutionaries and shows their hand.
Yes, this Relatio has been surpassed by the final document, the “Relatio Synodi,” which has not appeared, as of this writing, in English translation. Apparently, some of the more egregious errors have been removed, but the troubles are not over, not by a long shot. According to Voice of the Family:
Paragraphs containing controversial ideas on sexual morality remain in the published document, even though these paragraphs did not receive the required two-thirds majority of Synod members. The Vatican’s spokesmen made clear that these paragraphs remain subject to discussion at next year’s Ordinary Synod.Although the final report contains some significant improvements on the original draft, the voting numbers reveal that most Synod Fathers remain open to proposals contrary to Catholic teaching, such as Holy Communion for Catholics in invalid ‘second’ marriages. [Emphasis mine.]
So, for the next year, the progressivists will be doing all they can— and we know they are not generally limited by ethical restraints — to get their heresy sanctioned by hook or by crook. Let us pray that they will be converted or confounded.
Let us now consider their false doctrine.
At the heart of the document are four paragraphs (17-20), which I reproduce here:
The discernment of values present in wounded families and in irregular situations
17. In considering the principle of gradualness in the divine salvific plan, one asks what possibilities are given to married couples who experience the failure of their marriage, or rather how it is possible to offer them Christ’s help through the ministry of the Church. In this respect, a significant hermeneutic key comes from the teaching of Vatican Council II, which, while it affirms that“although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure … these elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity” (Lumen Gentium, 8).
18. In this light, the value and consistency of natural marriage must first be emphasized. Some ask whether the sacramental fullness of marriage does not exclude the possibility of recognizing positive elements even the imperfect forms that may be found outside this nuptial situation, which are in any case ordered in relation to it. The doctrine of levels of communion, formulated by Vatican Council II, confirms the vision of a structured way of participating in the Mysterium Ecclesiae by baptized persons.
19. In the same, perspective, that we may consider inclusive, the Council opens up the horizon for appreciating the positive elements present in other religions (cf. Nostra Aetate, 2) and cultures, despite their limits and their insufficiencies (cf.Redemptoris Missio, 55). Indeed, looking at the human wisdom present in these, the Church learns how the family is universally considered as the necessary and fruitful form of human cohabitation. In this sense, the order of creation, in which the Christian vision of the family is rooted, unfolds historically, in different cultural and geographical expressions.
20. Realizing the need, therefore, for spiritual discernment with regard to cohabitation, civil marriages and divorced and remarried persons, it is the task of the Church to recognize those seeds of the Word that have spread beyond its visible and sacramental boundaries. Following the expansive gaze of Christ, whose light illuminates every man (cf. Jn 1,9; cf. Gaudium et Spes, 22), the Church turns respectfully to those who participate in her life in an incomplete and imperfect way, appreciating the positive values they contain rather than their limitations and shortcomings.
As Maike Hickson has pointed out, the so-called “law [or“principle”] of Gradualness,” derived from Pope John Paul II’s Familiaris Consortio, is being seriously abused, that is, applied in a way that John Paul did not use it. In the context of theRelatio, this undefined “law” or “principle”was used as a shorthand for the modernist’s novel and elastic conceptions about the Church. In the ecumenical and indifferentist ecclesiology such concepts as schism, heresy, and error are largely neglected while considering non-Catholic religions. Instead, the emphasis is put on what is true and good in other religions, whether Christian or not. These true and good things are referred to as “seeds of the Word,” and “elements of sanctification and truth.”
From a mere recognition of things that are of themselves good, the typical liberal almost always goes so far as to claim that false religions are positively salfivic due to the presence of these Catholic elements.
Among the applications of this false doctrine is the common modernist claim that the true Church of Christ extends beyond the limits of the Catholic Church. Just how far beyond depends on the“generosity” of the progressivist. The true Church, of course,“subsists”in the Catholic Church, but it may also subsist in other “ecclesial bodies” or non-Christian religions as well. In fine, there is no salvation outside the Church, but the Church herself may very well extent to all of humanity, irrespective of such theological realities as faith, baptism, or subjection to the Pope.
Precisely with reference to this error of indifferentist, ecumenical ecclesiology, the modernists are now pushing a revolutionary doctrine on matrimony. And this makes perfect sense, because the union of man and woman in Holy Matrimony is a sign of the union of Jesus Christ with His Church (cf. Eph. 5:22-33, Catechism of the Council of Trent, and the CCC). Pope John Paul II spoke of this sign being an “analogy.” If it is analogy, then that greater union of God with Humanity via Christ’s union with His Church is the primary analogue — the higher, and more important of the two terms of the analogy — just as God’s Fatherhood is the primary analogue of human fatherhood.
Misunderstanding the primary analogue of Christ and His Church will lead to a misunderstanding of the secondary analogue of husband and wife.
Take note, dear reader, of how Pope Boniface VIII’s doctrinaire Unam Sanctam begins with spousal imagery from that most nuptial of inspired books, the Canticle of Canticles:
WE ARE COMPELLED, OUR FAITH URGING us, to believe and to hold — and we do firmly believe and simply confess—that there is one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is neither salvation nor remission of sins; her Spouse proclaiming it in the canticles, “My dove, my undefiled is but one, she is the choice one of her that bore her”; which represents one mystical body, of which body the head is Christ, but of Christ, God.
For the radicals that drafted the Relatio, the law of gradualism allows “elements of truth and sanctification” to transform illicit unions of all sorts into something approximating Christian Matrimony. They go so far as to promote the unspeakable: “accepting and valuing [homo-] sexual orientation” (para. 50).
The modernist hatred of true doctrine may explain the absence from the document of such things as:
  • God’s Will.
  • God’s Law.
  • Conversion — except the very confused mention of it in paragraphs 28 and 29, where we are told that conversion “has primarily to be seen in the language we use so that it might prove to be effectively meaningful… ,” which language itself is not effectively meaningful.
  • Sanctifying Grace. There is a mention of the “state of grace” in paragraph 47, but read it in context to see how horribly subjectivist is the point being made!
  • Mortal sin.
  • The sacrament of Penance (confession) — except for a passage in paragraph 47 which countenances changing the Church’s discipline on the sacrament in the case of habitual adulterers!
Much will take place between now and Synod 2015. Meantime, keep calm and carry on… like good Catholic Counterrevolutionaries.
In the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.
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9 comments:

Catholic Mission said...


17. In considering the principle of gradualness in the divine salvific plan, one asks what possibilities are given to married couples who experience the failure of their marriage, or rather how it is possible to offer them Christ’s help through the ministry of the Church. In this respect, a significant hermeneutic key comes from the teaching of Vatican Council II, which, while it affirms that“although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure … these elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity” (Lumen Gentium, 8).

Lionel:
For the St.Benedict Center N.H 'elements of sanctifcation and truth'(LG 8) are known to them in real life and so these cases are exceptions, in Vatican Council II, for them, and so they reject Vatican Council II.

This is true also for the SSPX and other traditionalists.

So Cardinal Kaspar and the liberals have no opposition when they say that LG 8 refer to known cases saved outside the Church. The St. Benedict Center and other traditonalists agree with him.In the sense that they infer that these cases are visible, defacto known and not just possibilities known to God.

The traditionaliss have always said that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX infer that these cases are visible and accept them while the St. Benedict Centers also infer that these cases are visible and known in the present times, and exist, followed by the baptism of water.

Never has Brother Andre Marie or corrected any one saying that the baptism of desire is not known and visible to us to be exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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20. Realizing the need, therefore, for spiritual discernment with regard to cohabitation, civil marriages and divorced and remarried persons, it is the task of the Church to recognize those seeds of the Word that have spread beyond its visible and sacramental boundaries. Following the expansive gaze of Christ, whose light illuminates every man (cf. Jn 1,9; cf. Gaudium et Spes, 22), the Church turns respectfully to those who participate in her life in an incomplete and imperfect way, appreciating the positive values they contain rather than their limitations and shortcomings.

Lionel:
Never have the traditionalists said that those saved with the 'seeds of the Word' are not known-cases in the present times. So they cannot be exceptions or even relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If someone is saved with the baptism of desire with the baptism of water, so what, we do not know any case in the present times.We cannot meet any exception to the dogma as interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney.

So when Vatican Council II is rejected as being opposed to tradition and extra ecclesiam nulla salus does not the fault lie with the traditionalists. For them LG 8,LG 16,NA 2,UR 3 etc refer to visible in the flesh cases in the present times.

Catholic Mission said...


I posted this same report as a comment with the original report by Brother Andre Marie MICM.Here are some of the comments which followed.



Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.

Lionel: If you would write with clarity, I might perhaps be able to answer what you are saying here. As it is, this is so terribly confusing that it's difficult for me to even tell what positions you are attributing to me and the Center, much less what your own position is.



LionelAndrades
Why don't you just say that LumenGentium 16 or Lumen Gentium 8 refer to cases which are not known to us over the last 100 years.So LG 16 and LG 8 are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?


LionelAndrades

Why doesn't the St.Benedict Center just say that in October 2014 we do not know any person saved with the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood and so there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?


Brother André Marie

Thank you for your clarity.

OK: "In October 2014 we do not know any person saved with the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood and so there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?"

We never held that there were any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Lionel:

Yes with reference to the dogma there are no exceptions and your reasons are theological with which I agree.
But if you infer that LG 16 and LG 8 and Vatican Council II contradict the dogma then it would mean there are exceptions for you.These cases exist in your reality, otherwise how could they be exceptions?

Catholic Mission said...

Lionel:

Vatican Council II does not state that invincible ignorance (LG 16) is a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or that these cases are known to us, personally. We cannot meet any such person on the streets(saved with the baptism of desire or about to be saved as such) yet the traditionalists infer that these cases are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So for me LG 16,UR 3, NA 2 etc do not refer to explicit cases in 2014 and so they are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Neither are they exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.

Vatican Council II without the premise of being able to see the dead saved in invincible ignorance, a ray of the Truth (NA 2), elements of sanctification and grace (LG 6), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) is TRADITIONAL on other religions and Christian communities.

Catholic Mission said...


Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.

Lionel:
The precise meaning of those ambiguous passages you cite, and the level of magisterial authority they have — according to the levels of magisterial teaching http://catholicism.org/vatican... — are debatable points.

Without getting into that debate for now, I will affirm that I do not believe that any clear, unambiguous, and binding magisterial statements contradict the dogma. That would be an oxymoron.


LionelAndrades

Without getting into that debate for now, I will affirm that I do not believe that any clear, unambiguous, and binding magisterial statements contradict the dogma. That would be an oxymoron.
I don't know what you mean by all that.
Is being saved in invincible ignorance an explicit exception to the dogma?
Does the baptism of desire ( with or without the baptism of water) conflict with the dogma since these cases are physically visible to us in 2014?

Catholic Mission said...


Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.
To say that someone can be saved who does not believe in the Trinity or the Incarnation — whether he is ignorant of them or not — does explicitly contradict defined dogma. It is heresy.

To say that one who has divine and Catholic faith, wishes to be subject to the authority of the Catholic Church, but dies before being sacramentally baptized is a point that is debated in theology. We believe that God will see to the baptism of all his elect. Others hold that baptism of desire is sufficient. While I hold it to be a contradiction, I cannot call that position heresy.

I'm not sure what your reference to the "physically visible to us in 2014" means, since we cannot verify whether someone went to heaven by any of these means.


LionelAndrades

Brother Andre Marie I am not referring to theology. I agree with you there.
By physically visible I mean can we see someone saved with the baptism of desire physically on earth, to be an exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014.
Can we meet someone who is saved as such and who is also on earth, known and visible to us.?

I mean it in the literal sense and not theologically.

Catholic Mission said...

Chanankat> LionelAndrades •3 hours ago




Well lionel, excuse me for interjecting here but i think Our Lord understood the Catholic Church in a larger sense than the accidents of time and history made it to be. That because we lost the great patriarchal sees of Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch, plus Constantinople, the "New Rome" and lands east unto the jungles of India and Ceylon, then it was that there was perforce a 'beyond' to which the ancient gospel still applied. So the gospel is the gospel, and the Holy Apostles wrote down most certainly the understanding of what that gospel is. In so many many places of holy writ, the gospel should be familiar to us and that we are saved by the gospel, not just belonging to the institution of the Church. For as Augustine pointed out, many inside the institution are not saved, and many outside the institution are saved....saved by believing in the gospel, in the Deity and Resurrection of Our Lord, making Him Lord of our lives, believing the Father sent Him as the salvation of the world, and being baptized in His Name and for His Name's sake, following His commandments, especially the Two greatest commandments to love: these things all have a positive bearing on whether we be saved. And if we knew the fullness of Catholicity be under the Supreme Pontiff, we would come and belong to her - if we knew her to be what she in fact is!

Catholic Mission said...


Lionel:
Wonderfully put, but this not the point.
I am asking an emperical, objective question.
For instance I could ask a Hindu, Buddhist or other non Catholic :"Do we humans in general see people on earth who are also in Heaven ? Can we see them with the physical eye ?
Or I could ask a young Catholic preparing for his First Holy Communion and unaware of the theological controversies in the Church after 1949: "Can you see with your eyes people on earth who are also in Heaven and have been saved with the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water?"
Or I could ask you, " Can you see on earth with your physical eye former non Catholics, now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance followed by the baptism of water?"
Or to extend this thinking:"Can you physically see on earth, persons now saved with the 'seeds of the Word', (AG 11), Imperefect communion with the Church (UR 3) , followed by the baptism of water?"

Catholic Mission said...


Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.
No. Not if by "saved" we mean partaking of the Beatific Vision. That would be a contradiction. Only Our Lord himself was "simul viator et comprehensor."

If by "saved" we mean put in the state of grace -- and sometimes Catholics use the term in this way -- then I cannot answer the question, as grace is invisible.


Lionel:
I repeat I am not referring to theology or subjective experiences.

Can we meet someone who is saved as such and who is also on earth, known and visible to us.?

I mean it in the literal sense

Catholic Mission said...


Brother André Marie, M.I.C.M.

No.


Lionel:

So we agree that physically we cannot see anyone on earth saved as such.We do not personally know anyone saved in 2014 with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance. They are theoretical cases accepted in principle in only.
They cannot be considered to be physically visible, defacto cases known in the present times.
So when the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 refers to implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance it is referring to hypothethical cases. Someone invisible for us.
The Letter also implies that these hypothetical cases, are objective ( physically visible) exceptions to the tradtional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus( all needing the baptism of water with no exceptions) ?
This is not rational.
How can invisible for cases be defacto, real exceptions to the literal and traditional intepretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the Church Councils, popes and saints?