Here is the dogma mentioned by John Salza in the interview with Cornelia Ferrara.It is this ‘dogma of the faith’ which Our Lady mentioned at Fatima.She said it would be lost.http://youtu.be/fTmsOy-ZLtM
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
John Salza refers to Lumen Gentium 8, subsistit it.
Even if a non Catholic is saved outside the visible limits of the Church, this case would not be an exception to the dogma mentioned above.Since this case would not be known to us in 2014.We would not know who is this member of the Church. It would be known only to God.
So every one needs to formally enter the Church as mentioned in the dogma text.There cannot be any known exception.Since those who are in Heaven without the baptism of water ( if it is possible) would not be physically visible to us.
In the two videos however,Cornelia and John, do not discuss if the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma quoted above. Is the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance relevant to the dogma? Are these cases exceptions to the literal and traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney? Is LG 16 or LG 8 an exception or relevant to the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence ? Are they exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need faith and baptism for salvation?
Once these questions are dealt with, one can discuss the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257-1260. Can the Magisterium which John mentioned make a mistake?
In think ‘the dogma of the faith’ was lost in 1949 at Boston in the Fr.Leonard Feeney Case.
-Lionel Andrades
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