Quo Vadis Petre:Indeed, Lionel, you have unfortunately fallen away from the Magisterium by bounding God to the Sacraments ONLY!! Just the mere fact that in making a Act of Perfect Contrition a dying person in mortal sin can be saved without Confession (provided he wants to go to Confession) refutes your erroneous assertion!
Lionel:
The dogma says all need the Sacraments for salvation, all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church. This is the magisterium.
The dogma says all need the Sacraments for salvation, all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church. This is the magisterium.
Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7 ) says all need faith and baptism for salvation. This is a reference to the Sacraments by the magisterium.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) on the Neccesity of the Baptism of Water says the Church does not know of any means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. Again it is the magisterium which says salvation is bound to the Sacraments,
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) on the Neccesity of the Baptism of Water says the Church does not know of any means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. Again it is the magisterium which says salvation is bound to the Sacraments,
It is the magisterium which has contradicted itself:-
1.CCC 1257 says God is not limited to the Sacraments.
2.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 implies that the baptism of desire is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words the baptism of desire refers to known cases in the present time on earth; they are visible on earth, the dead in Heaven are explicit on earth. Since they are visible they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on the dogma.
2.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 implies that the baptism of desire is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words the baptism of desire refers to known cases in the present time on earth; they are visible on earth, the dead in Heaven are explicit on earth. Since they are visible they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on the dogma.
3.The International Theological Commission has criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney even though he held the traditional teaching on the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation.
4.In two theological papers of the International Theological Commission approved by Pope Benedict XVI it is implied that salvation in Heaven is visible on earth and this ‘spectre’ is an explicit exception to Tradition and is the theological basis for a theology of religions and a new ecclesiology.
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Quo Vadis Petre:
Just the mere fact that in making a Act of Perfect Contrition a dying person in mortal sin can be saved without Confession (provided he wants to go to Confession) refutes your erroneous assertion!
Just the mere fact that in making a Act of Perfect Contrition a dying person in mortal sin can be saved without Confession (provided he wants to go to Confession) refutes your erroneous assertion!
Lionel:
You are making the same mistake as ‘the magisteriuim’ of the International Theological Commission etc.
The person who is saved after making a perfect contrition is not personally known to us. He is not visible in 2014.
So this hypothetical case cannot be an explicit exception to all needing the Sacraments in 2014, de facto, for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
You are making the same mistake as ‘the magisteriuim’ of the International Theological Commission etc.
The person who is saved after making a perfect contrition is not personally known to us. He is not visible in 2014.
So this hypothetical case cannot be an explicit exception to all needing the Sacraments in 2014, de facto, for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/humanum/#comment-27366
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/mons-lorenzo-leuzzi-is-also-promoting.html
November 27, 2014
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is basic to religious liberty and a Catholic Confessional state http://eucharistandmission.
The Social Reign of Jesus Christ has been made obsolete with alleged salvation outside the Catholic Church known to us http://eucharistandmission.
November 25, 2014
http://eucharistandmission.
November 24, 2014
Subdued feast of Christ the King http://eucharistandmission.
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Pope John Paul II also fell before the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 http://eucharistandmission.
November 27, 2014
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is basic to religious liberty and a Catholic Confessional state http://eucharistandmission.
November 28, 2014
The Social Reign of Jesus Christ has been made obsolete with alleged salvation outside the Catholic Church known to us http://eucharistandmission.
November 25, 2014
November 24, 2014
Subdued feast of Christ the King http://eucharistandmission.
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Pope John Paul II also fell before the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 http://eucharistandmission.
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