Steven Speray is unaware of Cushingism : uses an irrationality in the interpretation of Vatican Council II

Link to Speray’s blog. http://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/my-latest-to-rev-brian-harrison-concerning-the-dogma-on-the-churchs-oneness-in-faith/

From Steven Speray’s blog:

My latest reply to Harrison:

Rev. Harrison,

The issue at stake is the redefinition of the sacred dogma on the Church being one in faith which is condemned by Vatican I. Your articles don’t touch it. We all know Feeneyism is wrong.
Lionel:Feeneyism is wrong?
Why ? Since the baptism of desire etc are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma? Theoretical cases, of the deceased, are visible in town in the present times?
It is with the false premise that he begins to interpret Vatican Council II as he has done with the Letter of the Holy Office.
He is using Cushingism i.e the dead are visible one earth and so are explicit exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in the present times.
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 Steven Speray:

Vatican 2 renders meaningless the teaching of Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis Christi that “only those are to be accounted really members of the Church who have been regenerated in the waters of Baptism and profess the true faith.”
Lionel:
Do you observe the error which has come from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949?
For him, like the baptism of desire, those saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) etc would be visible and known to us in 2014 to be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.
The error is with his inference and not the text of Vatican Council II.
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Steven Speray:

The external forum is presumed as it continues, “…so there can be only one faith. And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered — so the Lord commands — as a heathen and a publican.”

To the contrary, Vatican 2 implies that if a man refuse to hear the Church let him NOT be considered as a heathen and a publican, but as a Christian who doesn’t have the fullness of the truth: “Speaking of the members of these Communities, it declares: ‘All those justified by faith through Baptism are incorporated into Christ. They therefore have a right to be honoured by the title of Christian, and are properly regarded as brothers and sisters in the Lord by the sons and daughters of the Catholic Church’.” (UR 3 and UUS 13)

Lionel:
They are our brothers and sisters in Christ and they need to convert into the Catholic Church with Catholic faith (AG 7) for salvation.UR 3 does not say they are saved. Instead there are passages in UR which support AG 7 and mention that they are not in full ecclesiastical communion.
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Steven Speray:

 

“Incorporated into Christ” and “in the Lord” means that baptized non-Catholics are members of the Church or else they wouldn’t be incorporated or in Christ.
Lionel:
It does not state that these persons who are incorporated in the Church, as possibilities, known to God only, are visible and known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This has to be wrongly inferred. The text does not state it.
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Steven Speray:

Vatican 2 assumes every baptized non-Catholic is invincibly ignorant, an assumption it’s utterly incapable of making because only God judges the internal forum.
Lionel:
No where does Vatican Council II make this statement.
If it did it would contradict AG 7 and LG 14.

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Steven Speray:

This new teaching is why Catholic Answers refers to Protestants and Eastern Orthodox (the other lung of the Church?) as members of the Body of Christ and why in a 2002 debate, Patrick Madrid says the same of notorious anti-Catholic apologist James White.
Lionel:
Karl Keating, Patrick Madrid and other speakers at EWTN in general use the irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
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Steven Speray:

John Paul II even approved the Balamand statement in UUS 59 which recognizes a false religion as part of the Church of Christ.So now it’s not just baptized non-Catholics but their false religions that make up the one Church of Christ.
Lionel:
Regarding the Balamand Declaration see this link:
‘It is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church’ in Rome, in 2014, for example?. Legion of Christ priest does not answerhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/it-is-not-always-required-that-person.html#links

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Steven Speray:

It’s so blatantly obvious this new teaching under the pretext of a more profound understanding is an abandonment of the sacred dogma in the same sense as Holy Mother Church once declared. It clearly falls under the condemnation of Vatican I. Therefore, the new ecclesiology is anathematized.
Lionel:
It is anathematized when the inference is used in the interpretation.It is heretcial.The sedevacantists CMRI and MHFM use the same irrational inference as do Karl Keating, Patrick Madrid and other apologists who are traditional on other aspects of the Catholic Faith.
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Steven Speray:

It’s astounding you defend it, meaning you don’t really believe in the Catholic Faith.

Steven Speray

http://www.catholictopgun.com

Lionel:
Steven is not aware of the difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism.It is Cushingism, which he uses in the interpretation of Church documents, that is irrational and non traditional.-Lionel Andrades
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