I would ask you to show me an ambigous passage with respect to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16,LG 15,LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc ? None of them are ambigous for me.

• The education and formation of our young religious brothers and sisters.
• Vehicle maintenance on the small, hard-driven fleet that shuttles our brothers and sisters far and wide to distribute our books and spread the Faith.

Tantumblogo on The Blog for Dallas Area Catholics recently met a religious sister from the St.Benedict Center Still River,MA. He seemed impressed that she did not hold the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.He considers the baptism of desire an exception to the dogma.

Do you'll still affirm the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and while doing so put aside Vatican Council II ?The Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( rigorist interpretation) are not compatible for Tamtamblogo.

So how can you say that the St.Benedict Center accepts extra ecclesiam nulla salus?(And there are doctrinal criticisms of Medugorje on the Catholicism.org website!!)

Do you'll affirm the dogma as opposed to some parts of Vatican Council II ?

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For me there are no ambigous passages in Vatican Council II which contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are the orthodox passages. The passages which appear ambigous are those in which 1) the distinction between explicit-implicit , objective-subjective etc are not made and 2) an irrational premise is used because of the explicit-implicit, visible-invisible etc, distinction not being made.

Try it out. I would ask you to show me an ambigous passage with respect to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16,LG 15,LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc ? None of them are ambigous for me.Could you use my approach?

-Lionel Andrades

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