Friday, January 9, 2015

Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and Islam

 
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have announced that they accept all the documents of Vatican Council II and pray for Pope Francis.They are still faithful to their 'old' charism and Fr.Stefano Manelli is still the founder of their community according to their website.
So is there a change in their position on ecumenism, salvation and inter religious dialogue ? Do they still affirm the Syllabus of Errors along with Vatican Council II when they attend the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass.
What is their position on Islam and other religions ? Do they interpret Vatican Council II as supporting the traditional, rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Church Councils, popes and Fr.Leonard Feeney?. Or do they interpret Vatican Council II according to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which infers that the baptism of desire etc refer to known cases in the present times (2015) who are objective exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
This decides how they will interpret salvation with relation to Islam and other religions which are not paths to salvation(Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14 etc).
If for them the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake then Ad Gentes 7 affirms the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.There would be no statement in Vatican Council II which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Here are two passages from Vatican Council II.
The following passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) indicates non Catholics  are on the path to Hell.It is orthodox.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
The following passage in Vatican Council II (AG 7) does not contradict the above passage.
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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
The Letter of the Holy Office made a mistake and this is carried over here in Ad Gentes 7.Since 'who though aware' or who are 'inculpably ignorant' are not relevant to ' all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church' and 'the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door'.Since 'who though aware' or who are 'inculpably ignorant' are not defacto, known cases. So they are not defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are irrelevant.These two 'deadwood statements' in Vatican Council II have come from Boston in 1949.
 
So if the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate are aware of this distinction then Vatican Council II (AG 7.LG 14) says all Muslims and other non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.This would be the Franciscans of the Immaculate position in inter religious dialogue.There is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.
 
Similarly Ad Gentes 7 says all need 'faith and baptism'. Christian churches and communities do not have Catholic Faith which includes the faith and moral teachings of the Church and the Sacraments through which Jesus saves. So Orthodox Christians and Protestants need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell, not only according to Cantante Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 but also Vatican Council II (AG 7). This would  be the Franciscan Sisters of Immaculate  position on ecumenism, in accord with Vatican Council II.
 
The sisters must note that the factual error of the  Letter of the Holy Office 1949 influences magisterial documents. Dominus Iesus does not say that all with no exception need to enter the Church for salvation.1 Similarly the text of Ut Unum Sint does not clearly support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the traditional understanding on ecumenism.2 In a vague wasy it is said that the Church is necessary for salvation and all Christians must accept the papacy. So the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have to be aware of  this error in magisterial documents including the Catechism of the Catholic Church.3

This is the eror in the interpretation of Church-texts  made by Cardinal Braz de Avez and Cardinal Gerhard Muller. It is with this error that they want the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office.

Ask them to make a public correction.They must  encourage all Catholics to  interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Presently, for the cardinals Vatican Council II contradicts itself,contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and is not traditional.It is heretical.It opposes the Nicene Creed (  It is for them,'I believe in three or more known baptisms (without the baptism of water), for the forgiveness of sin  instead of one known baptism, the baptism of water).

So when the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate say they accept all the documents of Vatican Council II they need to clarify their position on this issue.Vatican Council II, for me , indicates all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).The founders of the Mohammadan religion did not have faith and baptism.The Quran shows that they knew about the Church.Yet they did not enter.Vatican Council II tells us that 'those men cannot be saved'(AG 7).Vatican Councl II is in agreement with the Syllabus of Errors and the statements of the popes, on different  religions and Chrisian communities.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Similar to Dominus Iesus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in Ut Unum Sint

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/similar-to-dominus-iesus-and-catechism.html

 
Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate can choose a rational, traditional and non heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II unlike the Vatican Curia
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate-can.html
 
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The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise


It is common knowledge that we cannot see the dead who are in Heaven. CCC 1257-1260 infers that we can!

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/it-is-common-knowledge-that-we-cannot.html

August 30, 2014
CCC 1257 HERESY IS RELATED TO THE HOLY MASS


CARDINAL JOSEPH RATZINGER MADE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (N.1257)

CCC 846 refers to the aphorism outside the church there is no salvation. It was not an aphorism it was a dogma!!


If that line in the Catechism is not wrong, then the only way I can explain it, is as saying God will send those persons who are there without the baptism of water back to earth to be baptised


Either way, with or without the Sacraments the person would not be alive on earth, and so would not be an exception to all needing the baptism of water


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