Friday, January 30, 2015

Fr.Volpi's interpretation of the Nicene Creed is different from mine


In the Nicene Creed we pray 'I believe  in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' and this refers to the baptism of water, the ordinary means of salvation.
The baptism of desire and blood are not known baptisms. They are not defacto, objectively seen. They cannot be administered . The baptism of water instead is visible and repeatable.
So there are not three known baptisms but only one.If the person is saved with the baptism of desire and blood it would include the baptism of water. If a person is saved without the baptism of water, as many allege because of the confusion in the letter of Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani (1949), it would not be known to us. There are no objective cases.There is no known case  of someone saved without the baptism of water in 2015.
When Fr.Fidenzio Volpi OFM Cap., Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate offers Mass in Italian for him there is not one known baptism but three known baptisms. For him the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance ( without the baptism of water) are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They would have to be known, to be exceptions.
It is because there are exceptions to the dogma for him I say that there is not one known baptism but three known baptisms for him.
 
For the Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate  Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He does not mean all need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.Far from it! There are exceptions! There  are visible exceptions to the Nicene Creed.The credal teaching is contradicted. There are visible exceptions to Jesus saying in the Bible (John 3:5) that all need the baptism of water for salvation.Not all!?

There are exceptions to the dogma for him? Then it means there are explict exceptions.If it was not explicit it would not be an exception.

This of course is not how the Nicene Creed was understood by St.Maximillian Kolbe.This is not  the Atranasius Creed of earlier times, which said  outside the Church there is no salvation.There are no exceptions, visible or invisible mentioned in those Creeds. Now we have the theology of exceptions.
This is a new Nicene Creed.It is the one approved by the new Franciscans of the Immaculate and of course the Vatican Curia. It was also approved by Pope Benedict XVI.Offer the Traditional Latin Mass but hold on to the exceptions to the dogma.
It is obvious heresy from the magisteriuim . Fr.Volpi is not the only one repeating it.It is also the heresy of the  Marchetti letter.
Even the'Lefebvrists' unknowingly support it.
 
So we have the traditional understanding of the Nicene Creed.There is one known baptism for the forgiveness of sin.Then we have the new version of three or more known baptisms for the forgivenes of sin.
Fr.Volpi wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept the new one, which is heretical and irrational. Probably they are already doing so.
Where are the visible exceptions in Rome or the Vatican, to I believe in one known baptism for the forgiveness of sin?
For me there are no known exceptions to the Nicene Creed or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II does not mention any.
-Lionel Andrades


Impediment in the Traditional Latin Mass for the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/impediment-in-traditional-latin-mass.html



 

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