Monday, January 12, 2015

Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. One could say, with reference to salvation and the dogma, it is 'absolutist'.

Personally, I am all for a more forceful presentation of EENS. I used the Feeney line as shorthand for an absolutist position, but perhaps that is unfair-Patrick Archbold
 Pat Archbold
How can there be a 'non absolutist' position ? We do not know any one saved outside the Church over the last 100 years and no magisterial document supports Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani when he assumes that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma. There was no precedent. Since no Church document before 1949 states that the baptism of desire refers to known cases,which are exceptions to the dogma. Nor is it directly said that these cases are exceptions. Even Vatican Council II does not make this claim.
This error is there in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger implied every one defacto needs the baptism of water for salvation but some do not.The Catechism comes with an inference.CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contradiction and is heresy. The error comes from the Marchetti document.
So a non absolutist position would be heresy .It would be a break with the dogma as it was defined by three Church Councils.
It would also be a break with Vatican Council II (AG 7) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All means - no exceptions.
LG 16,LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc are not exceptions to the dogma. Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. One could say, with reference to salvation and the dogma, it is 'absolutist'.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/does-not-justice-and-charity-demand-more-severe-presentations-of-extra-ecclesia-nulla-salus/


Patrick Archbold cannot defend his position on the Dallas blog

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/patrick-archbold-cannot-defend-his.html

 

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