Fr.Leonard Feeney was not in heresy since there is no known salvation outside the Church.Pope Pius XII did not confirm this

 And this is where we are at for your agreement, disagreement or further clarification. In charity, If you totally disagree with any of the following points there is not too much we can do going forward but be the best Catholics that we can be and pray intensely.

   1. It is Catholic Church teaching that someone can positively be saved by Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible ignorance when these conditions find themselves pleasing to God.

Lionel:

1.Could you clarify if you mean baptism of desire and blood with or without the baptism of water? Even though, either way it is not an exception to the dogma.

2.Also do you mean a baptism of desire and blood which is physically visible or invisible for us in the present times?

3.Do you consider pre-1949 Church documents ( Council of Trent, Mystici Corporis etc) as referring to a baptism of desire etc which is visible or invisible for us, objectively seen or explicitly not known to us?
  2. It is a matter of fact that these conditions have happened in the past and most likely will occur in the present and future.

Lionel:

It can be accepted as a possibility but not as a matter of fact, in the sense that we finally do not know how a particular person was saved.

For example St.Emerentiana,Virgin and Martyr was saved and we believe she is in Heaven. However did she receive the baptism of water before her martyrdom or did she receieve it after physical death.It was the experience of St.Francis Xavier and the saints that persons dead,could not go to Heaven without the baptism of water. The saints administered the baptism of water to persons who returned from the dead only to be baptised with water.

For me it has to be baptism of desire or blood with the baptism of water, since this is the dogmatic teaching.All who are in Heaven have 'faith and baptism'.

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Your are absolutely correct in saying that they are not known to us while a person is alive on earth. Saints have been confirmed by the Church and it is not for you to question. They are known to us after their death proving Church teaching, not that the Church must prove anything. What the Church declares as worthy of being believed must be accepted by the faithful.

Lionel :

When the Church declares someone a saint I accept it. I also know that it is not an exception to the dogma.It is irrelevant to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma since these cases do not exist in reality on earth in 2015. So they cannot be exceptions to the dogma.

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3. When Salvation occurs in these conditions they are not exceptions but most assuredly are welcomed into Heaven by God as Catholics.

Lionel:

Yes.
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  4. it is not for you or anyone to say how God welcomes these souls into Paradise for God is not bound by his sacraments.

Lionel:

God is bound to the Sacraments,the dogma  tells us. Cardinal Marchetti made an error when he assumed that there is salvation outside the Church. He was factually wrong when he assumed that the baptism of desire etc referred to a known case in 1949. This factual error was  accepted by the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II .Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger incorporated it in the  Catechism of the Catholic  Church 1257 ' God is not limited to the Sacraments.'

So CCC 1257 like the Marchetti letter says every one needs the baptism of water with no exceptions and also there are known exceptions. Irrational!

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5. Father Feeney denied Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and that Invincible Ignorance could possibly lead a person to Salvation.

Lionel:

He denied there was salvation outside the Church. I agree with him. The baptism of desire or blood in 2015 are not known to us, they are known only to God. So they are not explicit for us for them to be exceptions to the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The dogma says all need the baptism of water for salvation.

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 He was Saintly in teaching the faith to all but wrong and disobedient on this issue. You have never admitted that this was the case.

Lionel:

He was repeating the traditional teaching. The Church Councils did not say that there was salvation outside the Church. They did not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance as an exception to the dogma. This was the heresy of Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits.They were supported by the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was made public it is reported only  after Cardinal Marchetti had died.

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areful in saying that Pope Pius XII did not understand or was guilty of error with regards to the letter of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office and its aftermath.

Lionel:

Fr.Leonard Feeney was not in heresy since there is no known salvation outside the Church.Pope Pius XII did not confirm this.

Neither did he say categorically that all Jews and other non Catholics in Boston need to convert with no exceptions, for salvation.He did not defend the traditional teaching.

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The truth in the contents were most definitely not obeyed by many to undermine the faith and teach error That has been and continues to be a tragedy. That abuse is a totally different subject You can not attack the contents but certainly are accurate on their rampant abuse and denial of Church teaching on No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church and Baptism by water.

          THE FOLLOWING LIONEL MUST BE OUR BATTLE CRY:
7. The Catholic Church declares , defines and teaches and
embraces that those who attain holiness that is pleasing to God through Baptism of  Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance shall be  saved. (Yes and we do not know and cannot know who they are and so they are irrelevant to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus) let it be known to all for all time by our  solemn and highest decree that the Catholic Church has bound  herself as she is bound by Jesus that all people must be taught and are commanded to enter, remain or return to the Catholic Church and be baptized with water in order to attain Salvation. (Agreed)

There are no circumstances in which  this decree may be modified, changed or disobeyed at any point  in time.(This was the dogmatic teaching and is also the message of Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).

-Lionel Andrades