Friday, February 13, 2015

Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 di cardinale Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani con commenti.

Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 di cardinale Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani con commenti.

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.-Letter of the Holy Office.
(Lionel: Non sappiamo nessuno nel 2015, che viene salvato o sarà salvato con il desiderio implicito o in invincibile ignoranza.So che sa o non sa, è noto solo per Dio.La Lettera d Sant' Ufficio 1949 a arcivescovo di Boston  implica che sappiamo questi casi. E quindi non tutti si ha la necessità di entrare nella Chiesa.Non tutti bisogna entrare nella Chiesa  come insegna p.Leonard Feeney. Solo coloro che 'sa' bisogna entrare nella Chiesa.Invece il dogma dice che tutti bisogno inserire formalmente nella Chiesa cattolica.Cardinale Marchetti mescola un caso teorico con la necessita praticamente per il battesimo di acqua, per tutti, in tempi attuali(1949). In 1949 o 1915 non conosciamo nessuno che puoò riceverai salvezza senza il battesimo di acqua.
 
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
(Lionel: Perché il cardinale bisogna dire che una persona può essere salvato nel desiderio implicità, con riferimento a extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Dove sono questi casi? Quali sono i loro nomi ? Perche Il cardinale assumere che ci sono conosciuto ? Per lui questi casi e rilevante per il dogma.Lui presuppone ci sono eccezioni.Ipotetici casi sono eccezioni de facto.Lui è confuso qui. )
 
This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).-Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
 (Lionel. Il Concilio di Trento non dire che ci sono eccezioni a extra ecclesiam nulla salus .Non dire  che sappiamo nella vita reale queste persone. Ma in mente di cardinale loro sono e visibile e  loro sono eccezione. Per cardinale Marchetti loro sono visibili e conosciuto.Quindi per lui si tratta come eccezioni. )
 
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
(Lionel: Il dogma dice tutto devono essere incorporati nella Chiesa in realtà, praticamente, come membro e lui negato questo. Per  lui  ci sono  persone che non hanno bisogno essere incorporati come membri della Chiesa.)
 
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
(Lionel: 'Questo desiderio non deve essere sempre esplicito, in quanto è in catecumeni, ma quando una persona è coinvolta in ignoranza invincibile..' in altre parole questo casi e conosciuto,esplicita e obiettivo, per il cardinale. Così è un'eccezione per 'l'interpretazione rigorista' di Don Leonard Feeney.)

These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.). For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
 (Lionel: 'Quelli che sono effettivamente incorporati nella Chiesa come membri, e' coloro che sono uniti alla Chiesa solo da desiderio '.
Coloro che sono uniti alla Chiesa solo dal desiderio 'saranno salvati, pur essendo al di fuori del visibile' 'limiti della Chiesa !. Come ? Perchè questi casi sono visibili e conosciuto per il cardinale Marchetti.Sono diventa una eccezione pe il insegnamente che tutti bisogna entrare nella  Chiesa, come membri, per la salvezza. Lui dedotto cosi e dopo in la Lettera lui criticato p.Leonard Feeney.
 Don Leonard Feeney bisogna dire, per il cardinale,  che erano conosciuti eccezioni al dogma e c'era salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa cattolica.Lui bisogna dire che non tutte le persone hanno bisogno entrare come de fatto membri della Chiesa per salvezza. Lui non dire cosi e lo ha criticato.)
 
From what has been said it is evident that those things which are proposed in the periodical , fascicle 3, as the genuine teaching of the Catholic Church are far from being such and are very harmful both to those within the Church and those without.-Letter of the Holy Office.
(Lionel: From the Housetops stava dicendo non ci sono eccezioni conosciuto al dogma.)
 
Hence, one cannot understand how the St. Benedict Center can consistently claim to be a Catholic school and wish to be accounted such, and yet not conform to the prescriptions of canons 1381 and 1382 of the Code of Canon Law, and continue to exist as a source of discord and rebellion against ecclesiastical authority and as a source of the disturbance of many consciences.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: Don Leonard Feeney e  Centro San Benedetto stavano dicendo che non ci sono eccezioni note. Loro era tradizionale.Non dire niente di nuovo.)


Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities, and has not even feared to incur grave sanctions threatened by the sacred canons because of his serious violations of his duties as a religious, a priest, and an ordinary member of the Church.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: Le autorità legittime dicevano che c'erano eccezioni alla 'rigorosa interpretazione' del dogma. Desiderio implicito e di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile era casi conosciuto per le autorita. Per loro c'era noti casi.Loro hanno rivevuto salvezza senza il battesimo di acqua. Anche loro erano al di fuori della Chiesa. Le autorità legittime fanno un errore oggetivio. Questa diventa una dittatura del relativismo e errore nella Chiesa. Don Feeney era scomunicato.)
Finally, it is in no wise to be tolerated that certain Catholics shall claim for themselves the right to publish a periodical, for the purpose of spreading theological doctrines, without the permission of competent Church authority, called the "" which is prescribed by the sacred canons.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: Le autorità competenti sono state dicendo che tutte le persone non hanno bisogno  entrare nella Chiesa.Ma solo quelli che 'sapeva' bisogna entrare. Quelli che non erano in ignoranza invincibile o il battesimo di desiderio bisogna entrare. Tutti bisogna entrare nella Chies eccetto questa categoria.Questa categoria ci sono eccezioni.)
Therefore, let them who in grave peril are ranged against the Church seriously bear in mind that after "Rome has spoken" they cannot be excused even by reasons of good faith. Certainly, their bond and duty of obedience toward the Church is much graver than that of those who as yet are related to the Church "only by an unconscious desire." Let them realize that they are children of the Church, lovingly nourished by her with the milk of doctrine and the sacraments, and hence, having heard the clear voice of their Mother, they cannot be excused from culpable ignorance, and therefore to them apply without any restriction that principle: submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: Venivano criticati per dire non ci sono eccezioni. Ancora oggi, è la stessa storia.)-Lionel Andrades





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LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON
 
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.-Letter of the Holy Office
(Lionel: We do not know any one in 2015 who is saved or will be saved with implicit desire or in invincible ignorance.So who knows or does not know, is known only to God.The Letter implies that we know who these cases are and so not every one needs to enter the Church as Fr.Leonard Feeney taught.Only those who 'know' need to enter the Church, as compared to the dogmatic teaching which says all need to formally enter the Church.Cardinal Marchetti mixes up a theoretical case with practically all needing the baptism of water in the present times.
He is lost in the forest here.)
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: Why mention that a person can be saved in desire and longing with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Where are these cases ? What are their names? The cardinal assumes there are known cases and so it is relevant to the dogma. He assumes there are exceptions to the dogma.Hypothethical cases are defacto exceptions. He is confused here.
All at sea. Ignorant. )
This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel. No where does the Council of Trent say that there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus or that we know in real life who these people are for them to be exceptions.In Cardinal Marchetti's mind they are visible and known. So for him they are exceptions.
Missed the bus.)
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: The dogma says all need to be incorporated into the Church actually as a member and he denies it. For him there are known cases of persons who do not need to be incorporated as members of the Church.
Still lost.)
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel :'This desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance..' in other words this case is known, explicit, objective for Cardinal Marchetti. So it is an exception to the rigorist interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
In a soup.Confused.)
These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.). For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: 'those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and 'those who are united to the Church only by desire' . 'Those who are united to the Church only by desire' will be saved, while being outside the visible limits of the Church.Since these cases are visible and known for Cardinal Marchetti they are exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation. This is inferred and so Fr.Leonard Feeney is pulled up.He had to say that they were known exceptions to the dogma and there was salvation outside the Catholic Church.He has to say that not all people need to defacto be members of the Church for salvation.He did not and so criticized him.
He is still in a tangle here.)
From what has been said it is evident that those things which are proposed in the periodical , fascicle 3, as the genuine teaching of the Catholic Church are far from being such and are very harmful both to those within the Church and those without.-Letter of the Holy Office.
(Lionel : From the Housetops was saying there are no known exceptions to the dogma.
They were expected to say the Emperor has clothes on.)
Hence, one cannot understand how the St. Benedict Center can consistently claim to be a Catholic school and wish to be accounted such, and yet not conform to the prescriptions of canons 1381 and 1382 of the Code of Canon Law, and continue to exist as a source of discord and rebellion against ecclesiastical authority and as a source of the disturbance of many consciences.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: They were saying that there are no known exceptions.
It was nothing new. It was traditional.)
Furthermore, it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a "Defender of the Faith," and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities, and has not even feared to incur grave sanctions threatened by the sacred canons because of his serious violations of his duties as a religious, a priest, and an ordinary member of the Church.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: The lawful authorities were saying that there were exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma. Implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, referred to known cases saved without the baptism of water. So there was known salvation outside the Church for the lawful authorities.
Dictatorship of relativism within the Church.)
Finally, it is in no wise to be tolerated that certain Catholics shall claim for themselves the right to publish a periodical, for the purpose of spreading theological doctrines, without the permission of competent Church authority, called the "" which is prescribed by the sacred canons.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: The competent authorities were saying that all persons do not need to enter the Church but only those who 'knew', those who were not in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire and who were saved. So all need to enter the Church except for this category- of exceptions.
The magisterium went off the tracks here.)
Therefore, let them who in grave peril are ranged against the Church seriously bear in mind that after "Rome has spoken" they cannot be excused even by reasons of good faith. Certainly, their bond and duty of obedience toward the Church is much graver than that of those who as yet are related to the Church "only by an unconscious desire." Let them realize that they are children of the Church, lovingly nourished by her with the milk of doctrine and the sacraments, and hence, having heard the clear voice of their Mother, they cannot be excused from culpable ignorance, and therefore to them apply without any restriction that principle: submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
(Lionel: They were being criticized for saying there are no exceptions.
Even today, it is the same old story.)

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