New Catholic Media also like the Bishop of Brescia refuses to say that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma of the Catholic Church

The New Catholic Media also like the Bishop of Brescia refuses to say that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma of the Catholic Church.

I  watched Mic'd up The Catholic Internet.  Michael Voris, Judy Brown, John Henry Weston have never referred to extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a dogma.Since like the pontifical universities in Italy then have accepted the objective error of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti -  and  they will not discuss it.( If Catholics can throw away a dogma why are Church teachings on pro life issues important for them?)

 

The New Catholic Media also uses the  Marchetti' Theory  to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma. For Cardinal Marchetti the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma. This was somethng new.

 

For Marchetti the baptism of desire would be known, defacto, objective to be an exception to the dogma.Persons in Heaven would be known on earth.This  was his brainwave.He would also know of persons on earth who would be saved without the baptism of water.

This theory came into the Catholic Church in 1949 and it has been accepted by what Michael Voris calls the New Catholic Media.Why ?

There is no Church document before 1949 which says that these cases are known to us personally or that they are exceptions to the dogma . Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent for example, only mention the possibility of a person being saved with implicit desire or in invincible ignorance.None of these magisterial documents claim that these cases are defacto known to us. They could not ! It would be saying that the dead who are now in Heaven are visible on earth to us. This is exactly what Cardinals Marchetti and Cushing were saying.

Even the three Church Councils which defined the dogma did not mention any exceptions. How could they? How can the deceased be exceptions on earth ?!

 

Popes since Pius XII have allowed this objective error, the Marchetti theory to influence theology and there is no reference to it in the New Catholic Media.

If the Catholic media did not use Marchett's inference ( that salvation in Heaven is visible on earth and defacto contradicts Tradition)  Vatican Council II is traditional.

The secular media now  commonly suggests that Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma, on all needing to be formal members of the Church to avoid Hell. Wikipedia and so many Catholic sources refer to Lumen Gentium 16 as  an exception.There is no  comment on the New Catholic Media.

If someone is saved in invincible ignorance ( with or without the baptism of water) it still is invisible for us.We cannot meet someone in the Archdiocese of Detroit for example, who will be saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water.

 

How can someone who does not exist in our reality, who is not on earth, be an exception to Mother Angelica's understanding of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? How can those who do not exist in our reality be an exception to the saints and popes statements on extra eclesiam nulla salus ? What has the baptism of desire to do with extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

The entire 'Church of Nice' is using the Marchetti Theory and have put away the dogma.They are now calling the dogma  an aphorism or a maxim.

No one in the Catholic diocese of Brescia,Italy for example, is willing to say that extra ecclesiam nulla salus  is a dogma. The Faculty of Theology at the Teresianum, the Pontifical University of the Carmelites in Rome,  also refers to the dogma as an axiom. For them everyone does not need to be a formal member of the Church since there are 'exceptions'.

If Marchetti only mentioned the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance it would be fine. They are hypothetical  cases, possibilities.Instead he went further and in a non traditional way, posited these cases as being exceptions to the dogma.The New Catholic Media has not discussed this yet.

-Lionel Andrades

 

 

February 6, 2015
Bishop of Brescia refuses to say extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a dogma of the Catholic Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/bishop-of-brescia-refuses-to-say-extra.html

February 5, 2015
Lifesites double standards
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/lifesites-double-standards.html

February 5, 2015
Neither Michael Voris nor the Archbishop of Detroit are willing to say that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a factual mistake : they will not discuss it

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/message-incomplete-michael-voris-was.html

Mic'd Up "The Catholic Internet"

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/micd-up-catholic-internet.html