This was the irrational reasoning of Cardinal Marchetti in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : the irrationality was used by Fr.Hans Kung and others to interpret LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc

A local Monsignor from the FSSP sent these Saints to me after I sent you the e mail.

Here are some of the canonized catechumens I mentioned:

St. Emerentiana (Jan. 23)

St. Genesius of Arles (Aug. 25)

St. Victor of Braga (April 12)

St. Rogatian (May 24)

God Bless.

Lionel:

Thank you. I am familiar with this.

Note: we do not know of any St.Emerentiana ( and the others) in 2015. We do not know any one who will be saved without the baptism of water. We do not know any one who will be saved with the baptism of desire or blood and without the baptism of water.So we cannot posit these cases as being defacto exceptions in the present times ( Feb.2015) to all adults needing faith and baptism for salvation ( to avoid Hell).

Even if there is a case of someone being saved in the past with the baptism of blood , it is irrelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since these cases obviously do not exist in our time. So they cannot be exceptions for us human beings. They cannot be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2015.

This was the irrational reasoning of Cardinal Marchetti in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 .The same irrationality was used by Fr.Hans Kung and otheres to interpret LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc as being as break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. How can they be an exception to the dogma when there are no such known cases in 2015. All such salvation is known only to God and cannot be visible to us .These persons would be in Heaven.

Please ask the good Monsignor from the F.S.S.P, how can Vatican Council II be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ; according to the dogma as interpreted by the Church Father, saints , Church Councils and Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston?

In Christ

Lionel

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