THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS: Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas does not know of any exceptions.
The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma is also in line with Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) which says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.All. There are no exceptions.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.
Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI would today confirm that those who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, referred to in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) as possibilities, are not physically visible and personally known to us .Obviously. So today March 31,2015 there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils.Nor are there exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. None.He cannot meet someone in Rome who will be saved without 'faith and baptism'.
The Catholic Church's ecclesiology is still exclusivist.Since there cannot be exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The references to invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc ( all examples of persons saved but invisible on earth) are possibilities but not exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, the Feeneyite version.
Bishop Mark Pivarunas, Superior General of the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI- Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae ) would say the obvious i.e salvation in Heaven is not visible, known, explicit in the present times. This is common knowledge.This could be known even to someone who did not know Catholic theology. One does not have to be a Catholic to know that persons in Heaven are not visible on earth. Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani made an objective mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.He assumed there were physically visible exceptions.
The Catholic Church still teaches the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus,for the discerning Catholic.Vatican Council II affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma- unless you assume some people in Heaven can be seen objectively on earth.
Mons. Guido Pozzo cannot know of any exception to the dogma. Vatican Council II does not mention any case of someone saved without 'faith and baptism' in the present times. If it did suggest that there was an exception then it would be an objective mistake. The references to being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (LG 14,AG 7) in Vatican Council II are not exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma. They have been mentioned in LG 14,AG 7 because of the oversight in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the traditional teaching on members of other religions needing to convert formally into the Catholic Church for salvation and that there can only be an ecumenism of return.
There are also no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need to convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism'.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been the traditional basis for affirming the Catholic teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political systems.All need to be Catholic since in Heaven there are only Catholics.
So Bishop Mark Pivarunas differences on other religions and ecumenism do not really exist.
Doctrinally Bishop Mark Pivarunas, the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate can hold their traditional position on other religions and an ecumenism of return and also accept Vatican Council II (without the irrational premise). They can have it both ways. The irrational premise suggests that we humans can physically see persons saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance. Then it is inferred that these cases in Heaven, physically seen on earth, are explicit exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. This was also the misunderstanding of Bishop Mark Pivarunas.
His irrational inference was that since there are physically known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water on March 31, 2015, there is salvation outside the Church.So the irrational conclusion has been that Vatican Council II contradicts the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So the CMRi rejects Vatican Council II.
Brief History
In 1986, CMRI held its first General Chapter establishing a formal set of Rules and Constitutions. In the same year, the Rule was approved by Bishop Robert F. McKenna, OP, whose episcopal lineage can also be traced to Archbishop Thục.
In 1989, Father Mark Pivarunas was elected Superior General of the Congregation. Father Pivarunas received episcopal consecration in 1991 by Bishop Moises Carmona, also of the Thục lineage.
Pivarunas currently serves as Superior General...
In June 2007, 15 sisters living at Mount Saint Michael in Spokane were expelled from the Congregation because they had come to disagree with the Congregation's sedevacantist and accepted the authority of the post-Vatican II popes.They joined the Diocese of Spokane and formed the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church (SMMC) under the authority of the Spokane Bishop William Skylstad.
The Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen serves 29 churches and chapels in the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. They also operate the Mater Dei Seminary in Omaha, Nebraska, while the Sisters' motherhouse is located in Spokane, Washington (Mount Saint Michaels Mission). They have expanded into Canada, Australia, and New Zealand; Central and South America, with centers in Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico; and Europe, with Mass centers in England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Russia, and Ukraine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_of_Mary_Immaculate_Queen
Ordained in the modern Catholic Church in 2008, Fr. Michael Oswalt soon came to
see that not only were his orders invalid, but that his Church was not truly the
Catholic Church. He came to Mount St. Michael in January of 2010 to prepare for
ordination in the traditional Catholic rite, and was ordained to the priesthood
on June 29, 2011.
View Fr. Oswalt’s online interview (2009) His letter to the clergy of the diocese of Rockford, a superb explanation of why the modern Church is not truly the Catholic Church, was published in Issue No. 138 of The Reign of Mary and may also be read at this link.
Also available: Feb. 2010 Talk at Mount St. Michael (CD)
“Reclaiming a Hijacked Priesthood: One Man’s Story” (CD)
http://www.cmri.org/index.html#EVENTS
________________________________The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are in accord with the sedevacantist position on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/the-catechism-of-catholic-church-and.html
Of Special Interest
Reclaiming a Hijacked Priesthood:
Ordained in the modern Catholic Church in 2008, Fr. Michael Oswalt soon came to
see that not only were his orders invalid, but that his Church was not truly the
Catholic Church. He came to Mount St. Michael in January of 2010 to prepare for
ordination in the traditional Catholic rite, and was ordained to the priesthood
on June 29, 2011.View Fr. Oswalt’s online interview (2009) His letter to the clergy of the diocese of Rockford, a superb explanation of why the modern Church is not truly the Catholic Church, was published in Issue No. 138 of The Reign of Mary and may also be read at this link.
Also available: Feb. 2010 Talk at Mount St. Michael (CD)
“Reclaiming a Hijacked Priesthood: One Man’s Story” (CD)
http://www.cmri.org/index.html#EVENTS
________________________________The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are in accord with the sedevacantist position on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/the-catechism-of-catholic-church-and.html
CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : Cardinal Vallini and Auxiliary bishops of Rome http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/catholic-church-affirms-strict.html
Journalist meets Cardinal Vince Nicols
In itself the baptism of desire is not a problem. It is when it is considered an exception to the dogma that the error arises http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/in-itself-baptism-of-desire-is-not.html
Every one needs to be a Catholic : Those who are taught or not taught, those who know or do not know about the Church, will be decided by Jesus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/every-one-needs-to-be-catholic-those.html
The baptism of desire is accepted by me since it is not an exception to the dogma even when it occurs and it is known only to God http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/the-baptism-of-desire-is-accepted-by-me.html
There is so much of confusion since Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani (1949) inferred that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/there-is-so-much-of-confusion-since.html
I accept Christ in the Catholic Church and according to the traditional teachings of the Church, the traditional Magisterium which is supported by Vatican Council II
When the Magisterium says God is not limited to the Sacraments it is an objective error since the norm is the Sacrament of Baptism and you and I do not know of any exceptions http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/when-magisterium-says-god-is-not.html
The Council of Trent only referred to the baptism of desire. It did not say that these cases were known and visible to us
Whatever be your understanding of Feeneyism objectively you do not know any exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/whatever-be-your-understanding-of.html
The Council of Trent has only cited implicit desire and did not say it is an exception to the dogma http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/the-council-of-trent-has-only-cited.html
So if you say someone could be saved with the Baptism of Desire or if you say that someone could not be saved with the Baptism of Desire, either way, it is irrelevant to the dogma on salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/so-if-you-say-someone-could-be-saved.html
I accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney and endorse an implicit for us and visible only for God baptism of desire
Another baptism of desire list in which it is assumed that the deceased are visible to us http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/another-baptism-of-desire-list-in-which.html
I reject an explicit baptism of desire and affirm the traditional and centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.If it is not explicit it is not an exception
The Letter of the Holy Office makes it an issue. It considers the baptism of desire an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
Invisible persons cannot be an exception on earth to Fr.Leonard Feeney saying every one needs the baptism of water for salvation
Fr. Paul Kramer infers cases of the baptism of desire are visible for us.So they are exceptions to the dogma for him http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/fr-paul-kramer-infers-cases-of-baptism.html
The Good Thief is not an exception to all needing the baptism of water http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/the-good-thief-is-not-exception-to-all.html#links
Hundreds of saints have used what the secular media calls ‘the rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/hundreds-of-saints-have-used-what.html#links
I can hold the traditional interpretation of the dogma along with invisible for us and visible for God only, baptism of desire http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/can-hold-traditional-interpretation-of.html
I am referring to physics and not theology. Physically with the human eye we cannot see the deceased now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire
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