Monday, March 30, 2015

CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : Cardinal Vallini and Auxiliary bishops of Rome




S.Em. Cardinal Agostino VALLINI
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS: Cardinal Vallini and the Auxiliary bishops of Rome would confirm. 
The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma is also in line with Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) which says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.All. There are no exceptions.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.
 
Cardinal Agostino Vallini, Cardinal Vicar General in Rome and his Auxiliary bishops would today confirm that those who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, referred to in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) as possibilities, are not physically visible and personally known to us .Obviously. So today March 30,2015 there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils.Nor are there exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. None.We cannot meet someone in Rome who will be saved without 'faith and baptism'.
The Catholic Church's ecclesiology is still exclusivist.Since there cannot be exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The references  to invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc, all examples of persons saved but invisible on earth, are possibilities but not exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, the Feeneyite version.
The cardinal and his auxiliary bishops would say the obvious i.e  salvation in Heaven is not visible, known, explicit in the present times. This is common knowledge.They would be saying the obvious known even to those who do not know theology. One does not have to be a Catholic to know that persons in Heaven are not visible on earth. Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani made an objective mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.He assumed there were physically visible exceptions.
The Catholic Church still teaches the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus,for the discerning.Vatican Council II affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma- unless you assume some people in Heaven can be seen objectively on earth.
Cardinal Vallini and the Vicariate's view would also be supported by Archbishop Guido Pozzo at Ecclesia Dei.Now there would not be doctrinal differences with the SSPX, since Vatican Council II ( without the irrationality)  is pro-SSPX and pro- Tradition on other religions and ecumenism.
The Magisterium in 2012 did not doctrinally accept the SSPX General Chapter Statement which affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions.Since for the Magisterium there were physically visible exceptions in the present times.This was the irrational and non traditional position on doctrine of the CDF/Ecclesia Dei. 
Since Cardinal Vallini and the bishops of Rome cannot know of any exceptions to the dogma, Vatican Council II does not contradict the traditional interpretation on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. It does not contradict the traditional teaching on members of other religions needing to convert formally into the Catholic Church for salvation and that there can only be an ecumenism of return.
There are also no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need to convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism'.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been the traditional basis for affirming the Catholic teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political systems.All need to be Catholic since in Heaven there are only Catholics.
So Bishop Bernard Fellay's differences on other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty no longer exist.
Doctrinally the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate can hold their traditional position on other religions and an ecumenism of return and also accept Vatican Council II (without the irrational premise). They can have it both ways. The irrational premise suggests that we humans can physically see exceptions to the dogmatic  teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Then the irrational inference is that since there are physically known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water on March 30, 2015, there is salvation outside the Church.So the irrational conclusion has been that Vatican Council II contradicts the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
That the Cardinal Vicar of Rome and his Auxiliary bishops cannot physically know any exceptions to the centuries-old interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation, can be confirmed, by journalists, calling up the Rome Vicariate.They would be confirming common sense.
-Lionel Andrades

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What I believe.
 



what premise ?
The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".
what inference/ conclusion ?
The inference is since the dead are visible to us on earth, those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance being explicit ( visible in the flesh) become  exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So it is concluded that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it is concluded that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it has the hermeneutic of rupture.
 
what theology,
The post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.Since it assumes that defacto( in fact in the present times,explicitly) there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.So it is a theology which assumes there is salvation outside the Church even though we cannot know of any one saved without 'faith and baptism'.
what Tradition.
Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils, do not mention any exception. The text also does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.I am referring to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.
Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma.Neither do they state that there are exceptions to the dogma.
Yet with the false premise and inference is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted. 
 
Do you accept the baptism of desire?
Yes. I believe a Catechuman who has an implicit desire for the baptism of water and dies before he receives it can be saved. Since God will provide the means for him to receive the baptism of water. It has been the experience of saints, including St. Francis Xavier that some people returned from the dead only to be baptised by them with the baptism of water. 
 
 Irrational premise, Irrational inference, Non traditional conclusion

The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth".
They then make an
irrational inference
which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS."
Their
conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.

 

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