Saturday, March 14, 2015

Confusion in the Catechism of Pope Pius X

 But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
Lionel:
Yes he will be saved  if God sends a preacher to him as St.Thomas Aquinas taught , who will have him instructed and baptised with water.
Anyway this is a hypothetical case. It can only be a speculative case for us human beings. Since only God can know who is saved as such.
So this speculative case has nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
Yet this speculative case is presented as an exception to the dogma, it is inferred to be an exception to the dogma in the Catechism of Pope Pius X.

In the Catechism of Pope Pius X , 27 Q is not contradicted by 29 Q unless you assume that those who have received implicit desire (baptism of desire) are explicit for us.29Q really has nothing to do with 27Q and it should not have been placed together.Or it should have been clarified that these persons are not known to us.







27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.-Catechism of Pope Pius X 1905,Rome.
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation. -Catechism of Pope Pius X, Rome 1905
I mentioned in the previous blog post  it  is only in the present times that there can be an exception. 1
For example there would have to be a case in 2015 as such for it to be an exception. If someone died without the baptism of water and the Church declares that person a saint, centuries back, then that person cannot be an exception to the dogma today in 2015.
A possibility which happened in the past cannot be an exception to the dogma today.
Assuming there are such persons how would we know who they are and how would they be exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma on salvation today ? They cannot be exceptions today. This would be thinking irrationally.

Traditionalits recommend the Catechism of Pope Pius X and they assume that those saved in with implicit desire or in  invincible ignorance are always saved without the baptism of water and they are visible, nameable, and personally known in the present times (2015).So it is concluded that they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma. This is irrational.
This irrationality is common in the SSPX. They criticize Feeneyism since they assume there are known exceptions in the present times to the strict interpretation of the dogma on  salvation.They have been contradicted by the SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012 which stated that the SSPX affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus without exceptions.
-Lionel Andrades

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March 14, 2015
Pope Pius IX contributed to the confusion on extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/pope-pius-ix-contributed-to-confusion.html

 

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