Fr.John Zuhlsdorf does not believe in the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : advice on interfaith marriages

ASK FATHER: Non-Catholic engaged to SSPX follower. What to do?

 

Posted on 15 March 2015 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

A non-Catholic Christian co-worker has a daughter who is engaged to be married to a young man who was raised in, and still attends, an SSPX chapel in our diocese. The woman does not want to be married in the chapel, but is OK with being married in the Catholic Church. The young man agrees. What is the process for this to happen?

Pretty easy, really. The couple should approach the local Catholic parish where (hopefully) they will be welcomed with open arms.

Lionel:

Note Fr.John Zuhlsdorf does not believe in the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So the non Catholic Christian is not outside the Church for him.She does not have to convert into the Catholic Church.

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Since the Society of Pius X is a priestly society (and currently in an irregular state), there is no such thing as a lay “SSPXer”.

Lionel:

The SSPX are in an irregular state since they will not accept Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise which makes the Council a break with the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr.Zuhlsdorf also interprets Vatican Council II with this false premise.

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I know I sometimes refer – loosely – to SSPXers who are lay people who attend SSPX chapels, but, technically, only the bishops, priests are true SSPXers.

Lionel:

There are lay persons who attend the SSPX Mass who accept Vatican Council II ( with the premise).

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I digress. We are, in this post, talking about Catholics who currently, regularly attend Mass in a chapel staffed by these validly ordained but nevertheless irregular priests.

Lionel:

The Vatican Curia is interpreting the Council with an irrational premise.They use the Marchetti-Cushing irrational premise. This is an irregular situation. The magisterium has gone off the rails.

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Such a person remains a Catholic, but he might need to make a good confession to a priest with legitimate faculties (such as a priest of the local diocese). Such a Catholic should not be denied access to the sacraments, including marriage… witnessed by a minister who is duly authorized by the Church.

Bottom line: the Catholic who usually goes to the SSPX chapel is, quite simply, just a Catholic, just like every other Catholic who wants to marry. He is bound, just like every other Catholic, to observe the Church laws concerning marriage. That’s a commandment of the Church which every traditional Catholic has memorized.

Lionel:

However the Church's teachings on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus were changed after 1949.This is an irregular situation.

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The priest or deacon who prepares this couple for marriage will need to obtain permission for a mixed marriage, as the bride is a non-Catholic Christian. Such permission can be obtained from the local diocese.

Lionel:

The bishops in the local diocese do not believe in the strict interpretation of the dogma. They may even give permission for a ritual in the Church with a non Christian.

The couple would be living in adultery.

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This is, by the way, a problem for the good men who are, I know, zealous priests of the SSPX. They have every desire to help couples who approach them. However, if a couple needs a dispensation to marry, or there is some question about a previous marriage bond, they have nowhere to turn within their own Society. They have no legitimate authority, alas, such as a tribunal set up by the local bishop who is in union with the See of Peter. I can’t tell you how much I look forward to the day when any priest of the SSPX will have unfettered recourse to the resources of dioceses in the same way that diocesan priests do. There is a great deal to accomplish together.

Lionel:

Primarily,all Catholics need  to affirm Vatican Council II without the premise.

They need to observe that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This will help priests in the dioceses and in the SSPX .

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I digress.

The parish priest or deacon should take pains during the marriage prep to invite the groom back a parish in full communion with Rome.

Lionel:

The parish priest or deacon will be in full communion with the Church and denying the traditional dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

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He should invite him to hear Holy Mass at one of the frequent and reverently celebrated Masses in the Extraordinary Form that are surely offered in the diocese. (Please God, there is one.)

Lionel:

He should invite him to hear Holy Mass as those of the FSSP where there is a split between liturgy and dogma. They are only allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass if they do not proclaim the strict interpretation of the dogma.

So they oblige.

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He should kindly invite him to make a good sacramental confession to a priest who has faculties from proper authority, such as the diocesan bishop or a religious superior.

Lionel : 'They need to make a good sacramental confession to a priest who has faculties from proper authority, such as the diocesan bishop or a religious superior' - and who has  changed the Nicene Creed ( I believe in one baptism to I believe in two or more known baptisms without the baptism of water) and who does not consider this a mortal sin of faith.He also will deny a defined dogma of the Church with alleged exceptions and not believe this is a sin.

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In any event, this isn’t all that complicated. It happens pretty often these days for a Catholic to need a dispensation to marry a non-Catholic.

Lionel:

'It happens pretty often these days for a Catholic to need a dispensation to marry a non-Catholic '- and they get the dispensation, since the priest or bishop does not believe in the strict interpretation of the dogma.He affirms the 'developed' version.So they do not tell the couple that they will be living in  adultery unless both spouses are Catholic in a sacramental marriage.

-Lionel Andrades

 

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