There is no denial from Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP,the Pastor ( as he is described on their website) at the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP), church in Rome. He agrees with me on what they may teach in his Catholic parish in Rome. ( Mobile: +39.348.93 53 936 Email: kramer@fssp.it )
He does not deny that at the parish-church Santissima dei Pelligrini he has to say that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( when he does not know of any) or that Fr.Leonard Feeney was condemned for holding the rigorist interpretation of the dogma ( when the FSSP priest does not know of any exceptions to the dogma and no magisterial document before Fr.Feeney's time, claims there were known exceptions, and the excommunication was lifted without the priest having to recant).
Fr.Kramer does not deny that he cannot teach that there are no explicit exceptions to the dogma referred to in Vatican Council II. He is unable to teach that Vatican Council is Feeneyite and pro-Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441.
He does not deny that in religious education and catechesis, he teaches what is officially expected of him by the Vatican and the Vicariate. So if he does not teach ecclesiology ( understanding of Church) with the irrational premise, he could be suspended etc. So to stay as Pastor and offer the Traditional Latin Mass, he chooses to teach what is permitted by the Left. It is the same ecclesiology as that of the Novus Ordo Mass.
No denial here.
Since he has to promote an irrational ecclesiology and not the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church he has to present the laity in his 'traditional' parish with a particular reasoning.
So FSSP priests suggest the following irrational reasoning:
1.Someone in the past is a known exception today to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus on March 27, 2015.
2.Someone living will be an exception in future to the strict interpretation of the dogma today (March 27, 2015) since he will be saved without faith and baptism.(This does not even make sense to anyone so don't expect me to explain it)
3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.(This is reality-check at the FSSP church)
So the pastor will not be able to teach :-
1) We personally do not know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc, we cannot see them, they are not physically visible to us in 2015.
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla, or Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation .
Fr.Joseph Kramer does not deny that an FSSP priest has to compromise the Catholic Faith to remain priests in good standing with the Vatican.
Fr.Kramer does not deny that he cannot teach that Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 use an irrationality.They assume that there is known salvation outside the Church. These documents infer that there is salvation outside the Church as if these cases are personally known or some magisterial document before 1949 claimed they were known.
So instead of correcting the error of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani in 1949 they have promoted it.Church teachings on mission, salvation, evangelisation etc have been diluted.
They have changed part of the Nicene Creed, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin'.
No denial here.
1) They (FSSP / Vatican) infer that there are non Catholics in Heaven saved without 'faith and baptism'.
2) These persons are known to us on earth.They are personally known to become explicit exceptions to the traditional, exclusivist ecclesiology.
3) Since they are personally known, there are living exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church for salvation.
This is the 'new ecclesiology' that the FSSP pastor goes along with.
Here is the pattern again:
1.False, irrational premise/proposition.
2.Irrational, non traditional conclusion.
3.Ecclesiology has changed. A new theology is presented based on the false premise/proposition.
The irrational premise on which the new ecclesiology is settled is : in the present times ( 2015) non Catholics are known who are in Heaven without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
So the irrational inference which makes up the new ecclesiology is : there is salvation outside the Church.
Conclusion: the dogma on salvation and Tradition in general are contradicted.
Conclusion: the dogma on salvation and Tradition in general are contradicted.
This is all taught by the FSSP priests since it is politically correct and the magisterium approves it.
So when an FSSP priest mentions St.Emerentiana being an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma , he does want to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II ( premise-free) in public. Fr.Kramer agrees here.
When he refers to Fr.Leonard Feeney it is an excuse for hiding the Truth which he cannot proclaim, since he is not permitted to do so, officially.
-Lionel Andrades
Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) has changed Church teachings on family catechesis, religious education, salvation, mortal sin, ecclesiology...
The FSSP priests are not teaching the truths of the Catholic Faith for political reasons. They are teaching a lie.So what do we do ? We do not discuss it since they are priests? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/the-fssp-priests-are-not-teaching-truth.html
So when you hear an FSSP/SSPX priest talk about St.Emerentiana remember it is a lot of nonsense. He does want to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II ( premise-free) in public http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/so-when-you-hear-fsspsspx-priest-talk.html
The FSSP priests are not teaching the truths of the Catholic Faith for political reasons. They are teaching a lie.So what do we do ? We do not discuss it since they are priests?
No denial from FSSP http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/no-denial-from-fssp.html
FSSP priests in Rome not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus without three irrational points: no denial from religious community
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/fssp-priests-in-rome-not-allowed-to.html
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