Journalist meets Cardinal Vince Nicols

 

I think a journalist needs to meet Cardinal Vince Nicols, Archbishop of Westminister, England, ask him a simple question and then report on it.

"Cardinal Nicols I have a question on the Catholic Faith. It is true that a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as mentioned in Vatican Council II and these cases are invisible for us and known only to God?

"Yes", the bishop would answer.

"Thank you. That's all" replies the journalist.

He then types the following report and posts it on the Internet.

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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS:Vince Nicols confirms

The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma is also in line with Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) which says 'all'need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.All. There are no exceptions.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

 

 Today morning Cardinal Vince Nicols , Archbishop of Westminister confirmed that those who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, referred to in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) as possibilities, are not physically visible and personally known to us .Obviously.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. 

 

Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.

 So today (Date: March 30,2015) there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils.Nor are there exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. None.

The Catholic Church's ecclesiology is still exclusivist.Since there cannot be exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The references to invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc, all examples of persons saved but invisible on earth, are possibilities but not exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, the Feeneyite version.

As the cardinal said, salvation in Heaven is not visible, known, explicit in the present times. This is common knowledge.He was saying the obvious. One does not have to be a Catholic to know this.

So the Catholic Church still teaches the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma - unless you assume some people in Heaven can be seen objectively on earth.

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We need a journalist who understands theology and does not fall into the familiar secular propaganda, to come to this conclusion and then be able to write this report.

The last person to whom I addressed this question, which needs to be asked in Westminister, was Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP, in Rome. Obviously he said that these cases are physically invisible for us.

The next time I meet Fr.Hausmann I will confirm it."Father, you still believe that those saved in invincible ignorance or  the baptism of desire are physically invisible for us ? ". He will again say "Yes".

That's all I need for a report!

So if you want a reconciliation of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) with the Vatican, put this same question to SSPX priests or officials of the CDF/Ecclesia Dei.It is at the centre of their  'doctrinal difficulties' ( and they don't know about it), recently mentioned by Archbishop Guido Pozzo.

Here is the format once again. You do not need my permission. Make any editorial changes you want.This is about the Catholic Faith. I do not have a copyright or monopoly over it.

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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS.

The Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma is also in line with Vatican CouncilII (Ad Gentes 7) which says 'all'need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.All. There are no exceptions.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II. Today morning, Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci,SSPX/Archbishop Pozzo,Ecclesia Dei) ... confirmed that those who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire, referred to in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) as possibilities, are not physically visible and personally known to us .Obviously. So today (Date: March 30,2015) there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils.Nor are there exceptions to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. None.

The Catholic Church's ecclesiology is still exclusivist.Since there cannot be exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The referencs to invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc, all examples of persons saved but invisible on earth, are possibilities but not exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, the Feeneyite version.

As Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci/Archbishop Pozzo said salvation in Heaven isnot visible, known, explicit in the present times. This is common knowledge.He was saying the obvious. One does not have to be a Catholic to know this.

So the Catholic Church still teaches the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma- unless you assume some people in Heaven can be seen objectively on earth.

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-Lionel Andrades