Wednesday, March 4, 2015

This is irrational. Even a non Catholic would realize it.Yet this is what is inferred when it is assumed there are exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II


MRyan:
VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL MUSLIMS, JEWS IN ROME, ITALY ARE GOING TO HELL
Lionel, you know perfectly well that VCII says no such thing when it clearly stipulates that a conditional path to salvation may be open to them.
 
Lionel: 
Here is the quotation from Vatican Council II.
 
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself “by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
Here is the original report.
VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL MUSLIMS, JEWS IN ROME, ITALY ARE GOING TO HELLContrary to what your parish priest has been saying Vatican Council II indicates that all Muslims and Jews in Rome and Italy are on the way to Hell.

So get this message across to the people so that they can conduct Catholic Mission and Evangelization based on the truth.

Do not hide it from Catholics in the parishes that the Bible, the Church and of course Vatican Council II says Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. All of them.

The Council says this is in two important places .In Ad Gentes 7 it says all people need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation. All means everyone with no exceptions.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself “by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

Then Ad Gentes 7 also says those who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell. In Italy Muslims and Jews know about Jesus and the Catholic Church. It is a mortal sin of faith when they do not enter the Catholic Church.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council IIWhosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

So ask your parish priest why has he not spoken on this subject?

Is he trying to protect someone?

So many people are going to Hell and he does not speak or write about it?Is he protecting himself?
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MRyan:
Continuing with the article by Fr. White...
 
Lionel:

Father Thomas Joseph White, OP, in his article Who Will Be Saved? The Council and the Question of Salvation 1uses the Marchetti inference. He assumes there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So for him there would be known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 too.So for him all Jews and Muslims in the present times (2915) would not need to enter the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II.
You also use the same inference, the same premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. 1 This is the Society of St.Pius X's position which you have been supporting for years.
If someone has died three centuries back allegedly without the baptism of water, for you this case would be an exception to the dogmatic teaching today in 2015. So this deceased person saved with the baptism of blood ( martrydom) and allegeldy without the baptism of water( as if you would know?) becomes  an objective exception in 2015 to Ad Gentes 7. So an invisible case becomes an objective exception to the need for all Jews, Muslims and Chrstians to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church.
The fault is not with the Council but you and Fr.White assuming the dead are visible exceptions to the dogma in the present times. This is irrational. Even a non Catholic would realize it.Yet this is what is inferred when it is assumed there are exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
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I could interpret these passages in Vatican Council II without using the irrational premise and conclusion   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/i-could-interpret-these-passages-in.html

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