Friday, March 27, 2015

Vatican Council in general is being interpreted with an irrationality.Catholics do not know that there is a choice.Eliminate the premise and the Council dramatically changes.

Vatican 11 has been interpreted in an heretical fashion. Unfortunately great orthodox minds have not risen to the challenge of teaching--in depth--the true Catholic interpretation of it. There is substantial evidence that masons have infiltrated the Church. They now have their man in at the top in Rome. There is nearly daily evidence to indicate this. Unless this truth is faced it won't be long before the true Church will be underground.
Lionel:
Vatican Council II can be interpreted with an irrational premise and inference or without this irrationality.
In general it is being interpreted with an irrationality. This is how the media interpreted it after 1965 and still continues to do so.
Catholics do not know that there is a choice.
Eliminate the premise and the Council dramatically changes.


What do you mean? Give an example please.

Does Vatican Council II contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) or is it in agreement with this traditional interpetation ?
For the secular media Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.
Lumen Gentium 16, says Wikipedia, contradicts EENS.Since there can be persons saved in invincible ignorance ( and without the baptism of water as suggested in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949) .So LG 16 is an exception to the Feeneyite, traditional interpretation of EENS.


For Lionel Andrades Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS.
Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict EENS.Since there cannot be known persons saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water, since these cases would be invisible for us and known only to God. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake, since we cannot see persons in Heaven.So LG 16 is not an exception to the Feeneyite, strict interpretation of EENS.

The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth".
They then make an irrational inference which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explcit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS."
Their conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.
-Lionel Andrades


http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html



Catholics who use the irrational premise include the following.










 

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