Wednesday, April 1, 2015

The dogma tells us all need to be formal members of the Church and objectively we do not and cannot know of any exception.

 This was a factual mistake made by Cardinal Burke and the late Fr.John Hardon.Fr.Hardon like Cardinal Marchetti makes a wrong inference in the article.
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Lionel:
I do not mean it in a theological sense but - literally.
I mean it in a physical sense.
We physically cannot see any person saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.
The case does not exist. The person does not exist in our reality.
I cannot meet someone saved as such today.
So how can there be any exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma? It's a zero case.
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Anonymous:
So that none of us would be presumptuous in judging with certainty that which only the Eternal Trinity judges and knows.
Lionel:
For us there is no case to judge.There cannot be any physical, known case.
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And because it is a fact that it is possible, under certain conditions, that some could and can not obtain Baptism by water.
Lionel:
Yes theoretically but practically we do not know any such case.
They would have to be known for them to be exceptions to the traditional teaching of the dogma.
The dogma tells us all need to be formal members of the Church and objectively we do not and cannot know of any exception.
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Baptism by water is the ordinary means in the economy of Salvation, but the Trinity may grant through baptism of desire the same fruits as an extra-ordinary means, if the person has no possibility of receiving Baptism of water.
Lionel:
If God did choose this we would not know about it. So how could these cases be relevant to all needing to enter the Church with no exceptions in 2015?
It has no link with the dogma.This was the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was not corrected.
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It seems quite clear and fully coherent.
Lionel:
I am not referring to theology.
The theology of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was built upon a factual error. The theology assumes that the dead who are now saved in Heaven, were there without the baptism of water and these cases are presently known to us.So it is inferred that they are exceptions to the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades
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Cardinal Raymond Burke approved the article. Fr.Hardon like Cardinal Marchetti makes this wrong inference in the article http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/cardinal-raymond-burke-approved-article.html
 



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