This is a superflous passage in Vatican Council II (LG 16)

Feeneyism was condemned by Pope Piux XII, *before* Vatican II. See the details at http://www.romancatholicism.org/feeney-condemnations.html#a2.
Lionel:
Those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are in Heaven and we do not know their names.We cannot judge or know who is in Heaven, without the baptism of water.
Someone in Heaven cannot be an explicit exception to the dogmatic teching on salvation, on earth.
Someone invisible cannot be an exception today to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.

If someone does make this claim then he implies that we can see the dead who are in Heaven .He infers that these persons in Heaven known only to God, are explicit exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.
If a pope, cardinal or bishop says this it is still irrational. It still is a factual error. It is a fact of life that we cannot see people in Heaven.
If any rational Catholic makes this claim he has to be corrected.
However this error is widespread in the Catholic Church and was condoned by the Holy Office in 1949 and then in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992).
The magisterium has made an objective , factual mistake.

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As usual, the INTERPRETATION of the dogma is the problem.
Lionel:
Specially when the magisterium uses an irrationality like being able to see or know people in Heaven in the present times, who are there without the baptism of water. Then with this irrationality it is inferred that there is salvation outside the Church.

Popes, cardinals and bishops have supported this irrational premise and inference.It was not part of the Deposit of the Faith before 1949.

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Essence is "However, this [Baptism of] desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God."
Lionel:
The baptism of desire is ALWAYS implicit for us human beings and explicit only for God. It can never be physically visible for us.
It was never ever relevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma by Fr.Leonard Feeney.

So this is a superflous passage in Vatican Council II (LG 16).
Cardinal Cushing and the Jesuist assumed that the baptism of desire etc referrred to explicit - for -us, seen in the flesh, objectively verifiable cases.

-Lionel Andrades

 

 

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