eucharistandmission: This is the teaching of the Church and if Our Lady at Medugorje has not contradicted it, it is because she is in step with the Church. She is in step with the error of the Magisterium

Wednesday, April 29, 2015

This is the teaching of the Church and if Our Lady at Medugorje has not contradicted it, it is because she is in step with the Church. She is in step with the error of the Magisterium

Michael Voris:

And switching gears here to the question of private revelation, it can never contradict official Church teaching. 1

Lionel:

According to Church teaching the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is implied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846,1257), Letter of the Holy Office 1949, the International Theological Commission ( Christianity and the World Religions etc) and magisterial documents like Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus.

This is magisterial. The Church indicates that there are known exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. In other words people now Heaven are explicit on earth to be exceptions.

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This is one of the ways that so many fraudulent apparitions are discovered. Our Lady, or whoever the supposed vision is of, says some oddball thing, or in other cases simply never seems to say anything related to Church teaching. It’s one of the biggest reasons for totally dismissing the supposed revelations of Our Lady of Medjugorge...

But according to the visionaries, she has said things like the differences in world religions don’t matter to God.

Lionel:

This is an interpretation of E.Michael Jones who lives in Detroit near the Church Militant.com studios.

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That is a fake apparition, regardless of how many people who have gone their have felt about it. Feelings do not make something true. The truth makes something true...

Lionel:

Michael Voris and E.Michael Jones believe like the 'magisterium' that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This would be apparition theology. They indicate that being saved in inculpable ignorance and the baptism of desire are known, seen in the flesh exceptions to the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology. So they too can see appartiions.

They too accept, like the school children and their parents in Detroit, that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, refer to exceptions to the teaching on all needing to be formal members of the Church to avoid Hell.

This is the teaching of the Church and if Our Lady at Medugorje has not contradicted it, it is because she is in step with the Church. She is in step with the error of the Magisterium.

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But in cases like real apparitions and private revelations such as that of God the Father to St. Catherine of Siena, not only is nothing revealed contrary to Church teaching or tradition — it all agrees with and supports already-existing tradition and teaching.

Lionel:

'not only is nothing revealed contrary to Church teaching or tradition — it all agrees with and supports already-existing tradition and teaching.' Tradition before 1949 did not teach that the baptism, of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance referred to visible on earth cases.Or that they were exceptions to the dogma.

This is an irrational and heretical teaching held today by many Catholics who are not aware of it.Church Militant.com could comment on this.-Lionel Andrades

http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/the-vortex-judas-and-hell