Vatican (CDF) had a lot to hide and so they kept those SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secret

I think the Vatican had a lot to hide and so they kept those SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secret, while at the same time saying Catholic doctrine has not changed.

 

Church Militant TV (CMTV) could help resolve the CDF-SSPX doctrinal issue by identifying the exact doctrinal error.They could do this by affirming what is common knowledge.Common sense. The problem is that the error is approved by the Archdiocese of Detroit.

 

The basic issue is that being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Archdiocese of Detroit expects them to say they are exceptions.

It is with this irrationality that CMTV has to interpret Vatican Council II.

 

If they do not use this irrationality CMTV would be saying the Catholic Church teaches that the Prophet Mohammad and Muslims of his time were oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II. They would also be saying that all Jews in the present times will be lost forever unless they convert into the Catholic Church, according to Vatican Council II.

 

This was the basic issue at the Vatican-CDF doctrinal talks initiated by Pope Benedict XVI  in which the stacks were loaded against the SSPX.

At the talks the Vatican doctrinally accepted that there were known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Even though there are none.They approved Vatican Council II with this irrationality.

At the doctrinal talks the SSPX also accepted that there were known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma .Even though there are none. They rejected Vatican Council II.

 

The SSPX position has been full of contradictions.. In a 2012 General Chapter Statement they affirmed extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. While the SSPX USA is selling a book by Fr.Francois Laisney (Angelus Press) which says there are exceptions to the dogma.

 

They affirm the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the irrational premise and inference but reject the same thing in Vatican Council II. Being saved in invincible ignorance is accepted as an exception to the dogma in the Marchetti Letter but Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is criticized for being an exception to the dogma.

Now if Vatican Council II is interpreted without the irrationality, it could be considered Crypto Lefebvre for some Vatican sources..Perhaps CMTV was been accused by the Archdiocese of being Crypto Lefebvre.So they affirm Vatican Council II with the irrationality and say that the SSPX is in schism. They mean to say that they are not like the SSPX!

 

To not be in schism the SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II, like CMTV, with the irrational premise and inference.Even Fr.John Zuhlsdorf is one of them. Without the irrationality they would be branded schismatic. With the irrationality they are not schismatic and are the same as CMTV.This is the offficial reasoning.The political reasoning.

No one from CMTV has been able to respond doctrinally to the reports on this blog in which I mentioned them with reference to the SSPX. They cannot!

Doctrinally CMTV has always been part of the doctrinal problem. It is a serious issue. Since the Archdiocese of Detroit has already faulted CMTV once before, asking them to change their name, without giving any reason.They could do it again.

If CMTV comes 'out of schism' and says there are no known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, they would be saying all Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Church according to Vatican Council II for salvation.

This was the basic doctrinal issue at the CDF-SSPX  talks.

The CDF has brought a foreign item into these talks.It is the error of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti in 1949. They are promoting this new doctrine and they want the SSPX  to accept it and interpret Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of rupture. This doctrine is  not the  the Deposit of the Faith. So they kept the talks secret. They said there is no change in doctrine in the Catholic Church, when they really have changed the teachings on salvation and ecclesiology with a  new and irrational premise and inference.

 

Simon Rafe and Ryan Fitzgerald at CMTV cannot correct me.I would be surprised if they would discuss  this on the CMTV Facebook.It is easy to say that the SSPX is in schism. This is the political view of the Archdiocese of Detroit  where they are located.

-Lionel Andrades