Robert Spencer :
This guy admits he hasn't read the book and then presumes to assume what I did say?
Absurd beyond measure.
Lionel:
I am the only person who is writing on Vatican Council II not being in conflict with the traditional, rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the odds are, as I mentioned in the comment/blogpost , that you are using Pope Francis and the political Left's interpretation of Vatican Council II.
So I was hoping that being a Catholic, you would write another book which interprets Vatican Council II rationally and traditionally. An apologetical book is needed for Catholics with reference to Islam and the other religions.
In interpretating Vatican Council II many people make the following three errors. May be they also apply to Robert Spencer.
1.Someone in the past is an exception to the dogma on June 2,2015.
2.Someone living, will be an exception to the dogma today since he will be saved without faith and baptism.As if we can know!
3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.This is the dead-man walking theory!
So they are unable to answer these TWO QUESTIONS:
TWO QUESTIONS
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2015 ?
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?
Robert Spencer's answer to these two questions will indicate if he using the Marchetti error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades
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