Thursday, June 25, 2015

They would be saved with Catholic Faith when they are saved. Since in Heaven there are only Catholics. This is not contested in the UR 3 text.


Introibo  Ad Altare Dei (IAAD)
IV) Vatican II Teaches Salvation Outside The Church
Lionel:
It does not for me.
The new and heretical ecclesiology of Vatican II found in Lumen Gentium teaches that the Church of Christ "subsists in" (not "is") the Roman Catholic Church.
Lionel:
Pope Benedict XVI clarified this.So it is IAAD' personal view here.
For me Ad Gentes 7 is clear. It supports EENS.
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 This means there is an entity known as theChurch of Christ which is distinct from the Roman Catholic Church and it subsists in its fullness in the Catholic Church, but it subsists in other sects according to how many "elements" they possess. To have all the elements is best, but to have just some is equally good andleads to salvation.
Lionel:
This is your opinion based on your premise. It is not mine.
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The Vatican II document Unitatis Redintegratio states in paragraph #3:
"It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.
Lionel:
It infers that a person can be saved in a non Catholic church or community. A person could be saved among the Protestants or Orthodox Christians.
Agreed!
They would be saved with Catholic Faith when they are saved. Since in Heaven there are only Catholics. This is not contested in the UR 3 text.
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 For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church." (Emphasis mine)
Lionel:
Fine. This is a reference to hypothetical cases which would only be known to God.Of course when they are in Heaven they would be Catholics having received the Sacraments and knowing the Catholic Faith and believing in it.
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BOD and BOB means that individuals are brought into the Church and die as Catholics.
Lionel:
Correct. Perfect.
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 It does not deny the dogma of "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" (EENS) or "Outside The Church There Is No Salvation."
Lionel:
Precisely. Agreed!
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-Lionel Andrades

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