Saturday, June 20, 2015

Wikipedia continues with false propaganda on extra ecclesiam nulla salus : promotes Marchetti's factual error


The Latin phrase extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the Church there is no salvation".
Lionel:
 Yes. It means every one needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church, to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. Every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church, every one needs to have his name on the parish baptism register for salvation. All non Catholics are on the way to Hell, because of Original Sin and with mortal sins committed with no excess to the Sacrament of Confession.
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 The 1997 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body."
Lionel:
Since it accomodates the Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani error. 
In the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 Cardinal Marchetti postulated that there was salvation outside the Church even though he did not know of any case in particular.
He assumed that every one did not need to enter the Church since people in Heaven were visible on earth, to be explicit exceptions to the Feeneyite , traditional interpretation of the dogma.This was a factual error.Since he did not know of any case of someone saved outside the Church.He did not realise that when the said that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma, he was really inferring that 1) people in Heaven were known on earth in the present times to be exceptions or 2) that we can know of people who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
The  error was placed in Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).The Catechism accomodates this error and assumes there are people saved outside the Church, that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions.It became magisterial.
So Wikpedia also states that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body" implying that every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church- since salvation in Heaven is visible to us in the present times.
For example I accept the traditional interpretation of the dogma and I do not know any exception today (June 20) to the dogma.There cannot be exceptions since the dead-saved are not known and visible to me today.Yet this impossibility for humans was accepted by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani.The same irrationality is promoted on Wikipedia.
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This expression comes from the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage, a bishop of the 3rd century. The axiom is often used as shorthand for the doctrine that the Church is necessary for salvation.
Lionel:
It is a dogma and not just a maxim. It has been defined by three Church Councils. Pope Pius XII called it an 'infallible teaching'.This was the dogma which Fr.Leonard Feeney supported. He was not saying anything knew.
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 It is a dogma in the Catholic Church 
Lionel:
It suggests that Orthodox Christians and Protestants  need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.(Cantante Domino, Council of Florence 1441). So Wikpedia has it wrong here.

and theEastern Orthodox churches in reference to their own communions. It is also held by many historic Protestant Churches.
Lionel:
False.
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 However, Magisterial Protestants, Roman Catholics and the Orthodox each have a unique ecclesiastical understanding of what constitutes the Church. The theological basis for this doctrine is founded on the beliefs that (1) Jesus Christ personally established the one Church;
Lionel:
All need to formally enter this one Church Jesus. This is repeated in Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Simililarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water.So Vatican Council II and the Catechism are supporting the Feeneyite version of the dogma.
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 and (2) the Church serves as the means by which the graces won by Christ are communicated to believers.
Lionel:
Wikipedia cannot  affirm the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma. So it suggests that there are known exceptions in the present times. Wikipedia has accepted the Marchetti factual error.
-Lionel Andrades


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