Friday, July 10, 2015

Pope Francis permits the Traditional Latin Mass only with the new ecclesiology and compromise : Joseph Shaw looks the other way

Bishop Edward Slattery celebrates an Extraordinary Form Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC (CNS)Joseph Shaw, a traditionalist, who supports and teaches the new ecclesiology continues his propaganda on the Traditional Latin Mass and Pope Francis. As a professor of theology at Oxford he does not have the freedom to teach the old ecclesiology without Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani's irrational inference. Since he has a young family to support he has to teach the new ecclesiology based on Marchetti's irrational premise and inference. This is approved by Pope Francis.
Without the irrationality used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II no priest is being allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass.Joseph Shaw chairman of the Latin Mass Society does not mention this in another of his window dressing, show piece reports in the liberal Catholic publication the Catholic Herald (England).
He writes 'Francis is confounding those who presented him as an enemy of traditionalism. The movement is actually flourishing thanks to his ‘live and let live’ attitude'. Shaw does not say that the let and and let live attitude is restricted to only those who discard the old ecclesiology. It is a live and let live attitude only when it is the old rite with the new ecclesiology.
If a Catholic priest in England were to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in accord with Vatican Council II he would get the same treatment as the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.
Fr.Serafina Lanzetta formerly with the Franciscans of the Immaculate now has a parish in England, but without pastoral rights, only because he has conformed.
He has chosen to interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire being exceptions.This was the inference of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and it was incorporated wrongly into Vatican Council II by Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits.
Why did they have to mention being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire  in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) along with orthodox passages ? It was to accomodate the error which came from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.It was approved by Pope Pius XII.
Why did they have to mention 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR3) or 'seeds of the word'(AG 11) as means of salvation? It is because of the error in 1949 which infers there is known salvation outside the Church and all do not need to be formal members of the Church in the present times.This is the new theology, it is based on their being known salvation outside the Church, all not needing 'faith and baptism'(AG 7). This is the new ecclesiology it is a rejection of Feeneyism with an irrational premise ( salvation with the baptism of desire etc are personally known in the present times) and irrational inference( since they are known BOD, BOB, I.I. refer to known  exceptions to the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
This is the irrationality Joseph Shaw teaches as a Catholic with the approval of the liberal Catholic bishops in England. So he is given the teaching  permission (mandatum) by the local bishop to teach theology since he has compromised the Faith with Marchetti's irrationality.
Now on a big scale this is being done by traditionalist priests. I can think of Mons.Ignacio Barreiro and Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP in Rome.They would offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the new ecclesiology which comes from the pontificate of Pope Pius XII and is approved by the political Left.They offer Holy Mass without Pope Francis' 'triumphalism'.This is approved by the Vatican.Since the ecclesiology at all rites and forms of Holy Mass is the same- liberal!
-Lionel Andrades

Bishop Frank Dewane of Venice, Fla,USA gives the mandatum to teach apparition theology and a new false doctrine approved by the CDF
Joseph Shaw is not going to tell Muslims at Oxford that the Chuch says all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell. Neither is Gavin D'Costa going to say this in Bristol.
Joseph Shaw would not say that all need to formally enter the Church for salvation in Britain. This would be the old ecclesiology.Instead he would say that there are exceptions. This is the new ecclesiology.

Gavin D'Costa presents an irrational view of the Catholic Faith to the Islamic Society of the University of Bristol and visiting Muslim professors
Ecclesiology is not changed with I.I and BOD.It never was.Vatican Council II was always orthodox on salvation.The ecclesiology was exclusivist
No text in Quanto Conficiamur Moerore or the Council of Trent says there are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Department of Theology and Religious Studies at the University of Bristol is still teaching an irrationality : even after being informed

May 31, 2014

Joseph Shaw, Gavin D'Costa obedient to Cardinal Vince Nicols are misleading lay Catholics

May 29, 2014

Cardinal Nicols and FIUV are telling a falsehood. Why do rank and file Catholics have to accept it?

May 20, 2014

If someone is saved with ' a ray of the Truth' (Nostra Aetate 2) it is not known in 2014, so NA 2 does not contradict AG 7 or extra ecclesiam nulla salus

May 13, 2014

Orthodox Catholics have no comments on the University of Bristol video


Exclusivist ecclesiology?
The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.

Who agrees with you?
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni

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