Tuesday, September 1, 2015

Franciscans of the Immaculate Superiors Meeting this month : unity in ecclesiology needed

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The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests, who say they want to offer only the Traditional Lartin Mass, are really saying whether they know it or not, that they want to offer Holy Mass with only the old ecclesiology.This is the ecclesiology in which the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) was still accepted.
These Friars don't know that they have choice.They can affirm the old ecclesiology along with Vatican Council II. Lumen Gentium 16(LG 16) being implicit for us does not contradict EENS.LG 16 explicit for us would be an exception to EENS.
So if they discard the LG 16 is explicit for us ecclesiology and choose the LG 16 is implicit for us ecclesiology they can still accept Vatican Council II.
It's Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology.
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Then they can ask Fr.Sabino Ardito SDB , the new Commissar, to also affirm that LG 16 is implicit for us and explicit only for God.This is rational. It is traditional.It is Catholic. It is dogmatic and post  Vatican Council II.
When Pope Francis closed the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome , the Rector, Fr.Settimo Manelli F.I,like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict, was using the LG 16 is explicit for us ecclesiology.
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So the traditional teachings of the Church were affirmed but there was a big question mark on some parts of Vatican Council II e.g LG 16.
Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, the founder of the community,affirmed the old ecclesiology but interpreted Vatican Council II with the LG 16 is explicit for us ecclesiology.

Vatican Council II was criticized by Fr.Manelli, when the fault was there with the community's interpretation, which was magisterial.The magisterium interpreted Vatican Council II with the LG 16 is explicit for us ecclesiology.

This is the ecclesiology today of the Salesians, including the Commissar Fr. Sabino Ardito SDB. It is a break with the ecclesiology of Don Bosco.
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So the meeting of the Superiors of the Franciscans of the Immaculate this month,  should not talk in terms of Traditional Latin Mass and Novus Ordo Mass  but  is  LG 16  explicit or implicit in ecclesiology.
Discuss if being saved in 'imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3), seeds of the Word(AG 11) and 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) are invisible or visible for them.If they are invisible then they cannnot  be exceptions to Don Bosco and St.Francis of Assisi's interpretation of EENS.Can the Franciscans of the Immaculate interpret being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire as being implicit for us and not objectively seen in 2015 ?
In this way they can have unity in ecclesiology and affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS.
Presently with their LG 16 is explicit for us reasoning, Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma EENS, the Nicene Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance being explicit for us, creates a break with the old ecclesiology.
Pope Francis would want Fr.Stefano Manelli to accept the LG 16 is explicit for us reasoning and so interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the old ecclesiology.
He would consider it crypto Lefebvre when Vatican Council II,with the explicit for us reasoning is not used.This is the only reasoning and ecclesiology he accepts.
So Fr.Stefano Manelli could go ahead and affirm Vatican Council II, but with the LG 16 is implicit or us reasoning.This would mean Vatican Council II is not a break with the dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.He could then announce that he affirms the rigorist interpretation of EENS along with Vatican Council II.With salvation in Heaven always being implicit for us, we can have it both ways here. He would of course,reject the pope's interpretation of Vatican Council II since it is irrational to assume that LG is explicit for us in the present times.
The advantage lies with those who are rational.Since then ecclesiology remains traditional before and after Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades

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