Sedevacantists refuse to answer if LG 16 is an exception to EENS

 

Physically how can the case of the baptism of desire(BOD) or baptism of blood (BOB) be seen on earth ? Physically we cannot see or meet someone on earth saved in invincible ignorance( LG 16).

So why cannot Fr.Paul Kramer and the sedevacantists admit this? This is not theology.

I'm only asking them if LG 16 cases, with or without the baptism of water,can be known personally on earth.Can we personally know such a case? No!

Of course not !They are known only to God.

So this fact has to be clear before a theology is created.

Cases of BOD, BOB and I.I ( invincible ignorance of the Gospèl throught no fault of his own) would have to be physically known, visible to the naked eye to be an exception to all needing to enter the Church formally for salvation. They would have to be physically seen to be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

When they are not known we cannot assume that they are known and then create a theology upon this irrationality.

Similarly we cannot assume that LG 16 is physically known to us and then assume Vatican Council II is a break with EENS - what's the point in discussing theology based on an irrationality .

Possibly they understand what I am saying and are aware of the implications.The sedevacantists and traditonalists were wrong all these years, as was the contemporary magisterium.

So when I ask them if LG 16 contradiicts EENS they will not answer.

It would be saying that they, along with the magisterium made a factual error and based their new theology upon it.

The magisterium accepted the new theology and Vatican Council II as

a break with EENS.

The sedevacantists and traditionalists accepted the new theology and rejected Vatican Council II as a break with EENS.

I reject the new theology based on an irrationality and accept Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS.

-Lionel Andrades