- http://whatisupwiththesynod.com/index.php/2015/10/28/wherein-ann-barnhardt-justly-discriminates-against-fr-james-martin-essjay-who-is-a-raging-flaming-queen/
He also needs to be confronted (with reference to the video you posted) and told that all non Catholics are on the path to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) since they do not have 'faith and salvation'. He also needs to be told, and so do the other Jesuits, that we do not and cannot know people saved without 'faith and baptism'. If there are any such cases they would be known only to God.So LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 are not explicit for us. They cannot be explicit for us. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to AG 7, LG 14 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation). There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Ann, when are you going to say this? That is Vatican Council II is in agreement with the rigorist intepretation of EENS?
Ann, when are you going to say this? That is Vatican Council II is in agreement with the rigorist intepretation of EENS?
Mmmmm.... no, sorry. Lumen Gentium says muslims and
every other people whose religion believes "in the one
true god" are also saved.
If a Muslim is saved in his religion, it means he is a Catholic in Heaven, since there are only Catholics in Heaven according to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II AG 7, LG 14 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation).
Secondly this person would be a theoretical case for you, me and Ann. We do not, and cannot know any such person in 2015. So this hypothetical case would not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) or Vatican Council II.
So we have Vatican Council II affirming the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS all need faith and baptism- AG 7) and there are no exceptions; there cannot be any exceptions in Vatican Council II, to the dogma
Muslims believe in the one God but they do not have faith and baptism. So they are all oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II
Secondly this person would be a theoretical case for you, me and Ann. We do not, and cannot know any such person in 2015. So this hypothetical case would not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) or Vatican Council II.
So we have Vatican Council II affirming the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS all need faith and baptism- AG 7) and there are no exceptions; there cannot be any exceptions in Vatican Council II, to the dogma
Muslims believe in the one God but they do not have faith and baptism. So they are all oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II
-Lionel Andrades
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