Monday, December 7, 2015

Discrimination Offices could be approached in Britain : English bishops and FIUV withholding information from Catholics

The English bishops are asking for changes in the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of Jews due to intimidation it seems by members of the Jewish Left. They call it 'having good relations with the Jews' and it means if there are bad relations, there could  social and political penalties. The newspapers in Italy  even announced the possibility of war when the original protests were made by the Chief Rabbinate and their supporters over the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews.
Now due to intimidation the English bishops and the Federation International Una Voce (FIUV) are hiding information about Catholic teachings. They are distorting basic information about what Catholics believe, to prevent a backlash economically and otherwise, from the influential Jewish Left community in Britain and abroad.
In Italy two liberal rabbis visited Vatican offices and the Pontifical University Urbaniana in Rome, telling all that they would have to give up Catholic teachings on mission. Intimidated Vatican officials and cardinals  acquiesced, as did Pope Benedict.All this was done to keep the peace under intimidation.
Now the FIUV is carrying buckets of water for the bishops and their intimidators and is not proclaiming the Catholic Faith, even though they allege they are traditionalists faithful to traditional Catholic doctrine.
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This hiding of information and presenting false information on the Catholic Church by the FIUV and the English Catholic bishops  is a form of discrimination against those lay Catholics and religious, who want to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church in peace and freely or want to be informed correctly about their Faith.
This is not possible because of the intimidation which is public and has been reported by the newspapers in many countries. Even newspapers like the Catholic Herald, U.K are not free to discuss the Catholic Faith freely.
There are so many offices in the U.K which settle issues of discrimination and withholding with malafide intention information, from residents in Britain, or preventing a religious community or group of people from freely knowing, expressing and living their faith.
Could some lay Catholic take this issue before one of these many offices in Britain and ask the FIUV and the English bishops, to announce freely the teachings of the Catholic Church without fear and compromise. They could let Catholics know the truth about what are the teachings of the Church really and not what are the teachings of the Church approved by the Jewish Left rabbis and influential members of a foreign community.

1.It needs to be clarified that the Catholic Church teaches the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils 1 and the dogma is not contradicted by anything in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church , unless of course one uses an irrational interpretation ( Cushingism) to reach an irrational and non traditional conclusion.

2.Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) is  in agreement with the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.2 Also there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict AG 7 and LG 14  which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.

The FIUV and the English bishops distort these two points and hide this information from the general public by using an irrational theology, Cushingism, to interpret these Church documents. They are not saying that the Catholic Church teaches that all Jews and other non Catholics need to formally convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.This means that after Vatican Council II, the Catholic Church has not changed its traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church. The Church still teaches that all need to be formal members of the Church, with 'faith and baptism'. All need to have their names on the Parish Baptism Register to go to Heaven and avoid Hell, according to the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades


“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:
  • “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
  • “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
  • “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14 

FIUV and Joseph Shaw stay politically correct

Federation International Una Voce is discarding 'the dogma of the faith' which Our Lady mentioned at Fatima : they use an irrationality in theology to do this, like the liberals

So far out

FIUV clarification needed

Gavin D'Costa and Joseph Shaw liberal professors of theology in the U.K misrepresent Vatican Council II

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