Wednesday, December 30, 2015

False reasoning from the Letter is all over Vatican Council II: Abp Lefebvre did not notice it -2

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 

CONCLUSION
it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member

WHY ?
Since 'one may obtain eternal salvation' also  'by desire and longing'.

SO WHAT?
And these cases are known, they are explicit in the present times and so they are exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).

HOW CAN THEY BE EXPLICIT FOR US?
Since someone has seen these cases in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
Someone knows of persons who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

False premise: There are people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and they are known to us in the present times.
False inference : These persons are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So it is not always required that a person be incorporated into the Church actually as a member.

LUMEN GENTIUM 14

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 Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

FALSE PREMISE: 'among persons known to us'
Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved  (and they are among persons known to us

FALSE INFERENCE : 'so all do not need to convert formally into the Church for salvation'.
These persons known to us,  'who know that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, and have refused to enter or to remain in it' , are known to us , they are among persons known to us, and so they are exceptions to  all needing  to convert fornally into the Church for salvation. So all do not need to formally enter the Church, but only those who 'know'.
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Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

CONCLUSION
it is not always required that he ( a non Catholic, a non baptised person ) be incorporated into the Church actually as a member
WHY ?
Since 'one may obtain eternal salvation' also  'by desire and longing'. Or by being in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of one's own. A person in invincible ignorance can be saved according to the Holy Office 1949 without the baptism of water. So all do not need to enter the Church for salvation but only those who 'know ' and who are not in invincible ignorance .This was their reasoning.

SO WHAT?
And these cases are known, they are explicit in the present times and so they are exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).We personally know non Catholics in invincible ignorance and who are not baptised in the Church and they will be saved. Or we know of cases now already in Heaven, who are in invincible ignorance, and do not have 'faith and baptism', is the reasoning here.

HOW CAN THEY BE EXPLICIT FOR US?
Since someone has seen these cases in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
Someone knows of persons who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

Apply the same irrational reasoning to the other passage in Lumen Gentium 14.
There are 'catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church ' and they are known to us in the present times, they can be known to us, they are visible and not invisible for us.  These cases who are personally known, whose names are known to us, ' by that very intention' are ' joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own'.
Explicit cases?
If they are not explicit cases how can they be relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? They would also have to be objective cases, personally known to be exceptions or relevant to  the passages above( in orange) which are in agreement with the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.So invisible cases were assumed to be visible, and this is the common wrong inference accepted today.
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-Lionel Andrades


DECEMBER 30, 2015


The false reasoning from the Letter is all over Vatican Council II and Archbishop Lefebvre did not notice it -1

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/the-false-reasoning-from-letter-is-all.html

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