Sunday, January 10, 2016

The initial fault of there being known salvation outside the Church is responsible for all this theological innovation

Comment on Vox Cantoris' blog post Rome's blasphemy confirmed by Pope Leo XIII


http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2016/01/romes-blasphemy-confirmed-by-pope-leo.html

The new theology is based on the baptism of desire being explicit, visible in personally known cases in the present times.The blogger at Toronto Catholic Witness has accepted this.
The new theology is based on invincible ignorance cases ( through no fault of their own) who are objectively seen and known in  particular cases in the present times.The Toronto Catholic Witness  has accepted this irrationality too.
So there is no exclusivist ecclesiology any more for him.There is known salvation outside the Church for him.This is his Cushingite theology.
He has accepted the false premise ( visible cases of people in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water) and false inference ( so the baptism of desire is an exception to the old ecclesiology) .This is how he interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church.It is the same as Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis.

He writes:
The video claims the adherents to false religions are believers. No, they are not, properly understood. A believer is one who has the Faith which is, as the Catechism teaches: "... is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him".
Lionel:
Yes but the Toronto Catholic Witness accepts that there is salvation outside the Church. He accepts that all do not need to be formal members of the Church for salvation. He accepts that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and so every one does not need to be a 'card carrying member' of the Church. So the liberals would reason that those who are saved outside the Church i.e without faith and baptism, are given ' a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him'.
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He quotes the Catechism:
No 153. When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come "from flesh and blood", but from "my Father who is in heaven". 24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and 'makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.'"
Lionel: 
So the blogger accepts there is salvation outside the Church. Being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and blood( without the baptism of water) is acceptable to him.So the gift of Faith is given outside the Church?

No 161. Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life; But he who endures to the end.
Lionel:
So since there is salvation outside the Church we have the basis for the new theology and the new ecumenism.Protestants are saved outside the Church.May be one , may be two, may be more. 
This could also be the basis of a new inter religious dialogue. Muslims are saved through Jesus and the Church, outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church.
The initial fault of there being known salvation outside the Church is responsible for all this theological innovation.

There is a rational alternative but Toronto Catholic Witness is not aware of it.
-Lionel Andrades



Toronto Catholic Witness uses same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/toronto-catholic-witness-uses-same.html

TORONTO CATHOLIC WITNESS
Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when the irrational inference is avoided.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-affirms.html

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