Friday, February 5, 2016

Don't churn out more stuff on what the magisterium and others should do.Tell us what you believe.

What is so sorely needed in the Church today is genuine theological debate about important issues both within the Church and also within the world.Fr. Richard G. Cipolla, Rorate Caeili.

Fr. Richard G. Cipolla has written that there must be a genuine theological debate on the Church and the World.Another vague piece.How can it be genuine when he and others will not affirm exclusive salvation in the Church?. He will not say Vatican Council II says all need to be formal members of the Church for salvation, to avoid Hell(AG 7, LG 14, NA 4).So would there be a conversation among Catholics holding on to different doctrines ? He would be on the side of the liberals. Since he will not initiate a dialogue by saying every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for salvation; every one needs to have his name on the Parish Baptism Register to avoid Hell and there are no known exceptions in 2016.How can there be a dialogue on this issue which is related to the Catholic Mass when the traditionalists are denying the Faith ? They will not affirm exclusive salvation in the Church.At least not in public.

The Baltimore Caechism and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a mistake. Objectively no one in Baltimore or Boston  would know of an explicit exception.But will Fr.Cipolla  be willing to say it in a public conversation?

Fr.Cipolla and Rorate Caeili could directly affirm the Faith on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, and then let the Church at large, traditionals and liberals, respond.
They simply have to keep citing Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
When there is opposition simply say. 'No one could have known of an exception.No one could have known of someone saved outside the Catholic Church'.
Say it! Affirm the Faith. Be direct.In this way there will be a change in the Church. Theologically contradict the Jewish Left-Vatican document on inter religious dialogue with the Jews.Don't write vague pieces on what Catholics believe or what traditionalists believe today. Don't talk like the liberals or the magisterium.
The contemporary magisterium instead of affirming the truths of the Faith on exclusive salvation will deny it, claim you are not a Catholic and may publically excommunicate you.
SImilarly, at CMTV, Michaell Voris and  the Staff at Church Militant TV (CMTV)  are afraid. If they theologically affirm exclusive salvation in the Church, the Archbishop of Detroit will be upset. The Archbishop of Detroit like the list of heretics mentioned on the Vortex this week, does not affirm exclusive salvation in the Church. But then neither does Michael Voris. For all of them the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to cases without the baptism of water, who are known in the present times. So theologically for CMTV , like the list of ten heretics, there are known exceptions, to the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No dialogue here.
Vatican Council II is there before Fr.Richard Cipolla, Michael Voris and 'New Catholic', the anonymous editor of Rorate Caeili.It can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism,with there being exceptions  to exclusive salvation in the Church or there not being exceptions. One interpretation is irrational and the other is traditional and rational. So always there are  two options.Go ahead and affirm Vatican Council II with rationality. 
Affirm it with Feeneyism and then make this public.It's common sense that there could be no known exceptions in the past or today.
Say the obvious.
Don't churn out more stuff on what the magisterium and others should do.Tell us what you believe.The discussions on CMTV are superficial since they do not upset the boat.
Similarly the reports on Rorate Caeili are beginning to look hypocritical and false since they are not affirming exclusive salvation in the Church and for personal reasons are not even discussing this subject.-Lionel Andrades                                                          

Op-Ed: "The Conversation that must be had: a genuine Theological debate about the Church and the World"

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