Thursday, March 31, 2016

Pope Francis, Ethika Politika and the traditionalists interpret Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with an irrational inference

Comments from Ethika Politika : Any Plowman Can Interpret Pascendi: The Remnant’s Call for Schism

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      Prescinding from the comment on Barnhardt, I agree with you. I should note that her blog post was just that. Her fault was saying publicly and harshly what so many are saying privately, including priests who say the New Mass with whom I have had numerous conversations. These mainstream priests, several of whom have written publicly against Francis under pseudonyms, say things in private about this wayward pontificate that go even beyond what Barnhardt has written.
      Also commenting quite harshly on Francis are people like Germain Grisez, who is hardly a traditionalist: "I’m afraid that Pope Francis has failed to consider carefully enough the likely consequences of letting loose with his thoughts in a world that will applaud being provided with such help in subverting the truth it is his job to guard as inviolable and proclaim with fidelity. For a long time he has been thinking these things. Now he can say them to the whole world — and he is self-indulgent enough to take advantage of the opportunity with as little care as he might unburden himself with friends after a good dinner and plenty of wine."
      Funny how Médaille held his fire when people like this were saying things like that. Only the Remnant gets it in the neck.
      The confusion evident in this critic of the Remnant is between the Church and the Pope. The Pope is not the Church but rather its guardian. His mission is to defend the deposit of the Faith, not to bask in the world's applause for attacking "rigorists" and "small-minded rules." To oppose many of the things Francis has said and done is not to oppose "the Church." It is, rather, to oppose Francis in matters where he has harmed the Church.
      The idea that Francis is an "anti-Modernist" because he (rightly enough) condemns the excesses of capitalism and the modern cult of the individual is enticing but ultimately misleading. Anti-Modernism involves far more than a critique of economic liberalism and personal selfishness. The Modernist attacks the dogmas of the faith, causing havoc in the realm of sacred theology, not just the social teaching. The "Modernist as reformer," to use Saint Pius X's phrase, attacks the traditions of the Church in her liturgy and ancient customs.
      Quoth Francis in Evangelii Gaudium: " I dream of a 'missionary option,' that is, a missionary impulse capable of transforming everything, so that the Church’s customs, ways of doing things, times and schedules, language and structures can be suitably channeled for the evangelization of today’s world rather than for her self-preservation.
      And this from the same manifesto: "More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us: “Give them something to eat” (Mk 6:37)."
      These are not the opinions of an anti-Modernist, for heaven's sake. No Pope has ever set up a false opposition between evangelism and the Church's self-preservation or accused the Church of allowing people to starve spiritually because of her "rules" and "habits." Ironically, if people are starving spiritually today it is because the Church has abandoned so many of her "rules" and "habits," emptying both the pews and the seminaries---except where the "rules" and "habits" have been maintained or restored.
      We need to get beyond the kind of grandstanding evident in this article and confront the reality of a crisis in the Church that has arisen precisely because she has already done what Francis wants: "transforming everything." The result of the attempted transformation, as Pope Benedict admitted, has been "calamity," including "banalization" of the liturgy and the collapse of religious and priestly vocations (outside of traditionalist orders). In sum, a catastrophic failure.
    • Pope Francis, Ethika Politika and the traditionalists are interpreting Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with an irrational inference.

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        Chris Ferrara and the SSPX bishops use the  irrationality of the Letter ( hypothetical-objective exceptions) to interpret Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of rupture
        There being exceptions is the irrational reasoning used to interpret Vatican Council II by John Vennari, Chris Ferrara, John Salza and Louie Verrecchio.
        Michael Davis, Romano Amerio, Dietrich von Hildebrand were not aware of the irrational premise : Michael Mat, Chris Ferrara, John Rao, James Bogle, Joseph Shaw agree?
        Michael Mat, Chris Ferrara, John Rao and James Bogle again spoke at a conference and did not mention that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without an irrational premise
        Response to Chris Ferrara on the Creative Minority Report
        Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Christopher Ferrara and Jeff Mirus assume there is a type of salvation visible to us :misinterpret Vatican Council II
        The central point of what I want to say
        Neither Chris Ferrara or Mark Shea were affirming the Feeneyite position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus
        Chris Ferrara - Mark Shea debate : both are theologically rejecting the dogma EENS
        Chris Ferrara unknowingly uses an irrational premise and supports magisterial heresy

      • There is also a doctrinal problem among the traditionalists.
        The traditionalists and Pope Francis are using an irrational inference to interpret Vatican Council II and also the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
    • https://ethikapolitika.org/2016/03/29/any-plowman-can-interpret-pascendi-the-remnants-call-for-schism/



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