No one in the Church can say that a Catholic is a saint in Heaven without the baptism of water and so is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Since no human could see a person in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

Comments from the blog 1Peter5 : Preparations for the Exhortation are Being Made – in Rome and in Germany

Jay:

This is a magisterial error. If any one, pope or cardinal, infers that we humans can physically see people in Heaven saved this year with or without the baptism of water, it is nonsense..."

Saints aren't declared to be in heaven?
Lionel:
Yes Catholics are declared to be saints by the Church, and they are saints.
However no one in the Church can say that a Catholic is a saint in Heaven without the baptism of water and so is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Since no human could see a person in Heaven saved without the baptism of water. The Church also does not recognise any one as having the ability to physically see people in Heaven.
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And to your other point about invincible ignorance-I thought Pius IX talked about this in the 1800s?
Lionel:
Yes we can speculate that a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and this will be followed by the baptism of water since this is the dogmatic teaching of EENS.
However no can say that there is aperson in Heaven saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water( or even with the baptism of water).Since this is not physically possible.
It was liberal theologians after the Council of Trent who would interpret Pius IX as referring to being saved in invincible ignorance, as if it was an explicitly known case and that too without the baptism of water. Then they speculated that these 'explicit cases' were exceptions to EENS,
This was the irrationality in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which assumes the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, refers to explicit cases without the baptism of water. Then these hypothetical, theoretical for us cases, were assumed to be exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.
So I assume tha tPius IX was not talking about an explicitly visible case and was not saying it was an exception to EENS. The text does not say this. Since if he was saying this then it would mean he made an objective mistake.Since we physically cannot see persons saved without the baptism of water.
-Lionel Andrades

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