In the previous blog post I asked CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrecchio to proclaim the Catholic Faith and mentioned what I believe on the subject of Other Religions, Ecumenism, Religious Liberty, Nicene Creed,Vatican Council II and Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Would they agree with me?
Then let them say clearly that they support the following statements and this is what they believe.
CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrecchio could announce that all non Christians are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.This is the teaching of Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is not a private opinion. It is magisterial according to the text of these documents, and Tradition ( before the Council of Trent) and Scripture.
It may not be the teaching of cardinals and bishops of the present magisterium however this is the teaching which they, CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrechio uphold.
CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrecchio could announce that all non Christians are on the way to Hell without Catholic Faith according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Orthodox Christians, Protestants and Pentecostals need to convert into the Catholif Church formally to avoid the fires of Hell. This is not an opinion or a pre Vatican Council II view. This is the official teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14- all need faith for salvation, refers to Catholic Faith) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence refers to heretics and schismatics.In the Diary of St.Faustina Kowalski, Jesus also refers to heretics and schismatics. He called for prayers for them in the Divine Mercy Novena.
CMTV, Steve Skojec and Louie Verrecchio could announce that since there is no salvation outside the Church there is an obligation for all people to enter the Church formally.They need to live its teachings and remain in it to avoid the fires of Hell.Christ must be accepted as King and be the centre of all political legislation in a state whose Constitution is not separated from the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
Conversely a secular state is from Satan.Since God, as known in the Catholic Church, is not there at its centre.We can see its fruits today, in abortion, homosexual rights, atheism,pornography, euthanasia...
They could announce that since there is no salvation outside the Church there is no change in the tradtional ecclesiology of the Mass for them.The Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass, for them, has the same old ecclesiology based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The ecclesiology of the Mass today is not the same as it was in pre.Council of Trent times. However CMTV, Skojec and Verrecchio could announce that according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, there is not change in the old ecclesiology of the Mass,in all Rites.
They could announce that there are not three known baptisms. There are not three physically visible baptisms. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sin and it is the baptism of water.There are no known cases of the baptism of desire or blood with or without the baptism of water.
The baptism of water is not hypothetical but it is physically visible and repeatable.In faith we know the effects of the baptism of water.In faith we cannot say that we know the effects of the baptism of desire or blood , without the baptism of water.Since we do not know of any such case.If there was any such case it would be known only to God. So the baptism of desire and blood, without the baptism of water, is not relevant to the teaching on all needing the baptism of water for salvation. It is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II
They could announce that Vatican Council II is traditional for them on the issue of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and the 16th century missionaries.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases and so are not objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus
There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. No body in the past could have physically seen or known an exception. No one in the present times knows of an exception to the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell.The baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical cases.So they cannot be an exception in 2016 to all needing to enter the Catholic Church, to be saved from Hell.
Just as I said that this is what I believe as a Catholic and I have proclaimed it here they could do the same
CMTV, Steve Skojec, Louie Verrecchio proclaim the Catholic Faith -1
SSPX is in doctrinal error like the contemporary magisterium Steve Skojec http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/sspx-is-in-doctrinal-error-like.html
So what is Steve to do ?
Pastorally Pope John XXIII accepted exceptions to EENS and so traditional de fide teaching was rejected in 1962.This was the understanding of the cardinals and bishops too at Vatican Council II
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