Sunday, June 19, 2016

The Magisterial Heresy -4 (Updated June 18, 2016)

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The Magisterial Heresy -4


Part 1
In the last video I listed some of the actual texts which use the irrational reasoning.The Magisterium and the secular media we can see use the irrational reasoning.So B is an exception to . Here I would like to show how the irrational reasoning is used in Pontifical Universities and seminaries in Rome.This is done especially in Ecclesiology courses. 
I begin with the Legionaries of Christ University UPRA in Rome, then the Urbaniana University's ecclesiology classes.Then we see the same irrationality being taught at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas Rome and then the same irrationality is encouraged by the St.John Lateran University and the Benedictine Pontifical university of St.Anselm in Rome.
It was because of the teaching of the old ecclesiology at the Franciscans of the Immaculate Philosophy seminary in Rome, that Pope Francis closed it down.No mercy for the old ecclesiology.Pope Francis and Cardinal Walter Kasper also use the irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. The false inference is the basis for their new ecclesiology.They are not aware that without the false inference ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass is the same, it is the old ecclesiology.This is the only rational ecclesiology.Ecclesiology does not depend on the liturgy.
So the Vatican Curia would be in a crisis if the SSPX asked them to cite references in Vatican Council II to support the new ecclesiology.There are none. They were only depending on the irrational premise and inference.Without it LG 16 is not an exception to the old ecclesiology.
For Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who teaches Ecclesiology at the SSPX seminary at Econe,Switzerland the SSPX Headquarters, Vatican Council II is not ecclesiocentric since he assumes there are exceptions to the dogma.For him B would contradict A and he would be interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. He uses the irrational premise and inference.It is the same error being made at the Pontifical Universities and seminaries in Rome.

Legionaries of Christ university in Rome teaches officially approved irrationality and heresy in Ecclesiology classes

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Immagine correlataAt the Legionaries of Christ's University Pontficial Regina Apostolorum (UPRA)  Fr.Nikola Derpich L.C in the teaching of Ecclesiology interprets Lumen Gentium as a break with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the basis of the new ecclesiology which is being taught at all the Pontifical Universities in Italy.
He will teach students at UPRA that LG 16,LG 14, LG 8 refer to not invisible but visible cases in 2015. So they are explicit exceptions to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma EENS.1This was the irrational reasoning used by the Magisterium in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case. It has conditioned theology and has become a part of the Deposit of the Faith, even though it is irrational, heretical and was not part of the Deposit of the faith before 1808. It contradicts the magisterial teaching on ecclesiology before 1808 and it is all done with the explicit-implicit irrationality. 

PTEO1016 Ecclesiologia 

P. Nikola Derpich LC Descrizione Generale Studieremo origine, natura, struttura e scopo della Chiesa alla luce della Rivelazione, con l’intenzione di raggiungere una comprensione fondamentale teologica, che favorisca un dialogo fruttifero sulle relative questioni odierne più discusse: 

 la sua origine e il ruolo di Gesù e dei suoi discepoli nella sua fondazione 

 l’appartenenza alla Chiesa 

 l’unità cristiana e il dialogo ecumenico 

 la santità e il peccato dentro la Chiesa 

 la vocazione delle diverse condizioni di vita nella Chiesa (chierici, laici, consacrati) e il loro rapporto 

 il ministero del Romano Pontefice e il ministero dei vescovi 

 le dimensioni gerarchiche e carismatiche della Chiesa 

 la sua missione nel mondo 

 la sua necessità per la salvezza Lingua di insegnamento ItalianoLearning Outcomes (LO) – Conoscenze e abilità da conseguire 

1. Comprensione salda dell’origine, natura, struttura, e scopo della Chiesa.

2. Capacità di identificare la dimensione ecclesiologica di qualunque argomento per favorire un dialogo fruttifero e un progresso nella sua discussione e, quando sia necessario, la sua risoluzione.

3. Una buona conoscenza della costituzione dogmatica Lumen Gentium del Vaticano II

4. La capacità di fare un’indagine ecclesiologica ed esporre un argomento, collaborando in team.
5. L’apprendimento di un metodo teologico adatto a studiare un argomento di teologia dogmatica.

Lezioni magistrali con spazio per domande e risposte. Alcuni team, ogni settimana, esporranno la loro questione ecclesiologica. Infine, quiz informali, nel corso del semestre, serviranno a valutare la conoscenza della Lumen Gentium.


Part 2

A lie is being promoted at pontifical universities and no Catholic is opposing it in public

It is unethical academically for a cardinal, bishop or priest-professor of ecclesiology to lie. Yet it is being done officially at the pontifical universities in Rome.The motive is political.
Fr.Peter Paul Saldhana (Urbaniana), Fr.Tomasso Stancati (Angelicum) and many professors project LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 as referring to visible cases in 2105.In this way Lumen Gentium refers to explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.
If they assume that LG 16, LG 8 and LG 14 refer to invisible for us cases, then it means all non Catholics need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell.They do not want to teach this.There will be accusations against them if they speak the truth. They will considered Anti Semitic, racist, bigoted etc and will not be allowed to teach by the Congregation for Catholic Education and the Cardinal Vallini, the Vicar General at the Rome Vicariate,  who is in contact with the Jewish Left rabbis here.
So now the Catholic professors  have to lie. They have to infer, imply and suggest that LG 16, LG 8 and LG 14 are invisible for us in 2015. So they become  exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They also have to assume that these cases exclude the baptism of water, even when they do not know of any such case in real life.
They  hide this lie, in ecclesiology class and speak about 'the mystery of the Church'.


Urbaniana Pontifical University also changes ecclesiology using the irrational premise and inference in the interpretation of Lumen Gentium,Vatican Council II

At the Pontifical University Urbaniana Rome also they are teaching Ecclesiology and calling it a mystery. This is a new mystery in the Church.They do not know how to present this 'new mystery' in the Church whose source is an irrationality, a false premise and inference, and so they are presenting it with Mariology.
There is no one to question them or correct all this.This is the new ideological presentation of Ecclesiology , the 'new ecclesiology', in the pontifical universities.
The aim is: get rid of the old ecclesiology. The Church does not believe any more in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So Fr.Peter Paul Saldhana ( ) when he teaches this course at the Urbanianum, in his Bliography he includes :
  • PHILIPS, G., La Chiesa e il suo mistero nel Concilio Vaticano II. Storia, testo e commento della Costituzione Lumen Gentium, Jaca Books, Milano 1975 ( The Church and its mystery in Vatican Council II.)
Fr.Tommasso Stancotti O.P at the Angelicum gave us a clue to this 'mystery' in Vatican Council II which has changed the 'old ecclesiology'. He said it was Lumen Gentium.
For Fr.Saldhana too, LG 16( invincible ignorance) , LG 8( elements of sanctification and truth), LG 14 (implicit desire, invincible ignorance) refer to explicit, objective seen in the flesh cases in 2015. Since they are concrete and not abstract cases they become for him exceptions to the old ecclesiology, the extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the popes and saints.
No one is there to correct Fr.Saldhana, Fr.Stancoti, Fr.Francesco Giordana and Mobeen Shahid and tell them LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 could be interpreted as being implicit, invisible and hypothetical. So they are not exceptions to the old ecclesiology. There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the old ecclesiology. The new ecclesiology is created by assuming LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 are visible to us in real life. This is irrational.It is no surprise  that they call all this a 'mystery'. 

TB1006 - Ecclesiologia e Mariologia (cr. 9 - Annuale)
Obiettivi didattici:
Introdurre i temi ecclesiologici e mariologici fondamentali del mistero della Chiesa e di Maria, Madre di Cristo e Madre della Chiesa per un’adesione piu’ cosciente verso di loro.
Contenuti delle lezioni:
La storia dell’evoluzione dell’ecclesiologia e la svolta ecclesiologica del Vaticano II; i punti focali nella nuova ecclesiologia del Vaticano II; mistero, sacramento, comunione, diaconia; Maria come corona della Chiesa; i dogmi mariani e il culto verso Maria, Madre di Cristo e Madre della Chiesa.
Modalità di svolgimento:
Lezioni frontali; discussione in classe; relazione scritta su un testo ecclesiologico oppure mariologico.
Modalità di verifica:
Esame finale orale e valutazione dell’elaborato.
Bibliografia: PHILIPS, G., La Chiesa e il suo mistero nel Concilio Vaticano II. Storia, testo e commento della Costituzione Lumen Gentium, Jaca Books, Milano 1975; DULLES, A., Modelli della Chiesa, Messggero di Sant'Antonio, Padova 2005; PIÉ-NINOT, S., Ecclesiologia. La sacramentalità della comunità cristiana, Queriniana, Brescia 2008; CASTELLUCCI, E., La famiglia di Dio nel mondo. Manuale di ecclesiologia, Cittadella, Assisi 2008; KASPER, W., Chiesa Cattolica, Essenza-Realtà-Missione, Queriniana, Brescia 2012 (orig. ted, 2011); SALDANHA P.P., The Church. Mystery of Love and Communion, Urbaniana University Press, Città del Vaticano 2014; FARKASFALVY, D., The Marian Mystery. Outline of a Mariology, New York, St Paul, 2014; COGGI, R., Trattato di Mariologia. I misteri della fede in Maria, Bologna, Edizioni Studio Domenicano, 2011.
Fr.Peter Paul Saldhana is a priest from the diocese of Mangalore, India and a professor of Ecclesiology at the Pontifical University Urbaniana from where he obtained his licentiate and doctorate in Theology.

Part 3
This semester Fr.Tommaso Stancati O.P teaches the new theology at the Angelicum based on LG 16 being explicit for us instead of implicit

At the Angelicum University in the first cycle of theology for students they are offered a course titled Il mistero della Chiesa ( The Mystery of the Church).It will be a theological introduction to the new ecclesiology according to Vatican Council IIIntroduzione teologica alla nuova ecclesiologia cattolica del Concilio Vaticano II) based on Lumen Gentium ( Dogmatic Constitution of the Church)
During this course Fr.Tommaso Stancati O.P will speak on how Lumen Gentium has ushered in a new ecclesiology, since LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 refer to not implicit but explicit cases.For him they are not invisible cases in 2015.So these explicit cases (even though in Heaven)  are exceptions to the traditional ecclesiology .They are visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for him.Ecclesiology has changed for the Dominican priest.There  is no more exclusive salvation in the Church. LG 16, LG 8 ,LG 14 refer to non Catholics saved without the baptism of water and are so evidence of salvation outside the Church.
For me, LG 16, LG 8 and  LG 14 refer to invisible, implicit and known only to God cases.The text of LG 8, LG 14 and  LG 16 do not state that these cases are explicit or exceptions to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.So I do not make any irrational and non traditional inference. Nor does the text of Vatican Council II in Lumen Gentium 16 mention that these cases  exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.So they cannot be exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
Yet all this will be wrongly inferred by Fr.Stancati and the other Dominican professors.Then they will conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II has a hermenutic of discontinuity with the old exclusivist ecclesiology.So with this irrationality they will teach at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome that there is a new ecclesiology.Students are expected to infer that LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 refer to known cases in the present times since they are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


TI 1318 Il mistero della Chiesa. 5 ECTS Il mysterium Ecclesiæ: metodologia teologica ed ecclesiologia. La teologia della Chiesa nel Nuovo Testamento. L’ecclesiologia patristica: caratteri principali. Introduzione teologica alla nuova ecclesiologia cattolica del Concilio Vaticano II: la Costituzione dogmatica sulla Chiesa Lumen Gentium. Analisi particolareggiata e commento teologico dei temi biblico-teologici più rilevanti dei capp. I-III della Lumen Gentium. N.B. I restanti capitoli della Lumen Gentium saranno oggetto dello studio personale dello studente sul testo di base suggerito (o su altro testo concordato col Docente). 
16 PRIMO CICLO FACOLTÀ DI TEOLOGIA BIBLIOGRAFIA: T. STANCATI, Ecclesiologia biblica e dogmatica, Ed. Domenicane Italiane, Napoli 2008; B. FORTE, La Chiesa della Trinità, Ed. San Paolo, 1995; G. PHILIPS, L’Église et son mystère, Desclée, Paris 19755; trad. it. La Chiesa e il suo mistero nel Concilio Vaticano II, Jaca Book, Milano 19822. T. STANCATI, O.P. Lun. 10.30-12.15; Mar. 9.30-10.1 (Emphasis added)

With an irrational inference dogmas and doctrines are being thrown out at the Angelicum University

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For Fr.Tommaso Stancati O.P and Fr. Bernhard Blankenhorn O.PLumen Gentium (LG 16 etc) refers to explicit cases in 2015 saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So Lumen Gentium has ushered in a new theology, there is a new ecclesiology. It replaces the old ecclesiology of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. So for him doctrine and dogma has clearly changed and this is what he teaches even though he does not know of any case in 2015 of someone saved without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.

Similarly Fr.Francesco Giordano teaches this semester that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so every does not need to formally enter the Church, for example in Rome, for salvation.There is salvation outside the Church. So there is a change in dogma and doctrine for him. Doctrine has developed.He accepts Marchettiism and Cushingism and rejects Feeneyism like the liberals and the Left.
A development of doctrine. This is the name of a course in theology at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas ( Angelicum), Rome.It is called The Nature of Revelation and the Development of Doctrine.The dogma on salvation has changed and now there are new doctrines expressed in a new ecclesiology. All this was possible by assuming invisible for us cases are visible in the present times.They did it with the inference. They first assumed there are known cases in the present times of people saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church then after presuming that these invisible cases were visible, they inferred that these cases were visible exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation.Even though these persons are hypothetical and abstract for us it was inferred that they were concrete and known.This is all irrational. Yet this is the basis for the theology of these professors.

I keep writing about this for years and they do not nothing about it. While the traditionalists and sedevacantists do not know what is happening still. They use the same irrationality, the same theology to interpret Vatican Council II. However unlike these professors they reject Vatican Council II while the Angelicum accepts Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational inference.
So in this course on the development of doctrine and dogma the bibliography includes a book by J.Hick on the new theology. According to this 'Christian' theology of Religions, other religions are also paths to salvation.This is a new doctrine which became possible with explict for us LG 16, LG 8 etc.This course is taught by Fr.Bernard Blankenhorn O.P one of the many new,young  Dominican priests who have accepted the new irrational theology.It contradicts Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Hindus, Buddhists,Jews, Muslims and pagans do not have faith and baptism.While Protestants and other Christians do not have Catholic Faith which includes the the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church necessary to avoid mortal sin and preserve Sanctifying Grace.


dP 1881 Fundamental Theology: The Nature of Revelation & the Development of Doctrine 3 ECTS

 This course studies some key themes in fundamental theology from a Thomistic perspective, including (1) post-modern critiques of revelation, (2) the nature of revelation, especially the function of history and propositional revelation, and (3) the development of doctrine, with a focus on moral doctrine.


 THOMAS AQUINAS, Summa Theologiae I, questions 1, 12-13, 43; II-II, questions 1-2; III, questions 36, 42-43, 55; M. CANO, De locis theologicis, Madrid: BAC, 2006; SECONDO CICLO - SECOND CYCLE 65 J. HICK, A Christian Theology of Religions: The Rainbow of Faiths. Louisville, Kentucky: Westminster John Knox Press, 1995; M. LEVERING, Engaging the Doctrine of Revelation, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Academic Press, 2014; J. T. NOONAN, A Church That Can and Cannot Change, South Bend: Univ. of Notre Dame Press, 2005 B. BLANKENHORN, O.P. Thu. 15.30-17.15

Former Franciscans of the Immaculate 
seminary faculty priest in U-turn:
teaches at the Angelicum University
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Fr.Francesco Giordano  is encouraged
 by the diocese of Rome to offer the
 Traditional Latin Mass since he 
has  adopted the new ecclesiology;
 Cardinal Francesco Marchetti
 Selvaggiani's ecclesiology.
Fr.Francesco Giordano who was on 
the faculty of the Franciscans of the
  Immaculate seminary, Boccea, Rome
 which Pope Francis closed down, now
 teaches at the Angelicum University
 where he would formerly discourage 
seminarians to go.
In an about turn, the prudent 
diocesan priest offers a course at
 the Angelicum titled The 
Salvation of Non-Christians in St.
Thomas Aquinas (SE 2591) according
 to the Order of Studies 2015-2016.
In a previous post 1 I had
 mentioned that  Fr.Francesco 
Giordano is a diocesan priest from
  a diocese outside Rome and 
now it is learnt, teaches at pontifical 
universities in Rome.He has 
specialised in extra ecclesiam nulla
 salus but with the Marchetti 
irrationality of being able to know 
in the present times, people saved 
without faith and baptism in 
the Catholic Church.They are
allegedly in Heaven, but are seen
 on earth to be exceptions to all
 needing to formally enter the
 Church.Pure fantasy 
theology.Classic nonsense.Yet it is
Fr.Francesco says he affirms
 the rigorist interpretation of 
the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla 
salus according to the Church
 Councils and St.Robert Belarmine
 and I have quoted him on this 
blog.Yet he will teach that the
 dogma has exceptions.
Like cardinals Marchetti and 
Richard Cushing, he infers that 
these cases are objective and 
personally known to be present day
 exceptions to Robert Bellarmine
 and Cantate Domino Council of 
Florence 1441.So in reality he rejects
 the pre-1949 magisterium and is
 incardinated as a priest.
So with this double speak
 ( rigorist interpretation and 
visible exceptions to the rigorist
 interpretation) he is allowed 
to teach and is recognised as 
a Catholic priest in the diocese,
 by the Vicariate and Vatican.
He interprets Vatican Council II 
as a break with St. Robert 
Bellarmine.The faculty at the 
University of the Holy Cross,
 the Opus Dei university in Rome
 knew all this and let him go 
ahead with his doctorate 
degree. Since Fr.Giordano was
 politically correct.
Fr. Angel Rodriguez Luño, Dean of the Department of Theologyat the Opus Dei university at that time, said this was a sensitive subject and so he would not comment on it.He meant it was sensitive for the Vicariate in Rome and the Vatican,overseen by the Jewish Left.
Fr.Francesco Giordano  is 
encouraged to offer the 
Traditional Latin Mass 
since he has adopted 
the new ecclesiology;
 Marchetti's ecclesiology.
He is in favour with the new 

Can a priest be faithful to the teachings 
of the Catholic Church, affirm Vatican 
Council II interpreted according to Feeneyism
 and not choose incardination ?

SE 2591 The Salvation of Non-Christians
 in St. Thomas Aquinas’ Corpus 4 ECTS
Throughout the history of Christendom, the
 preoccupation with salvation has clearly 
been in the forefront. Tied to the strong
 conviction that the Passion, Death,
 and Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus 
Christ is our only key to such salvation,
 much missionary activity and expansion
has ensued. With this in mind, what happens 
to those many souls who are not Christian and
 who have never heard the Good 
News? If original sin has conditioned 
every person in the history of humanity,
 how was the salvific offer of Christ
 on the Cross the proper response to
 all of humanity throughout time? Since 
we know that His offer is universal but 
requires that we accept it, what happens
 to those who have not known it or
 have not accepted it? Who are these
 people? What happens to them in 
rapport to our Savior Jesus Christ?
 Do they have hope for salvation?
 In this course we wish to approach 
the issue of salvation of non-Christians
 using the thought of St. Thomas 
Aquinas, covering themes from the
 nature of Faith and the
necessity of Baptism to that of invincible
 ignorance. Since St. Thomas did not 
address this theme frequently in his
 texts, we will see a number of 
other key themes in his theology
 which will open the way to help
 answer these questions.
F. GIORDANO Wed. 10.30-12.15

Part 4
What is Mobeen going to teach?

He is not willing to say Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation and Muslims do not have it.
He is not going to teach that all Muslims are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).
He is not going to say that LG 14 says those who 'know' about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell.Muslims in Italy 'know'.The prophet Mohammad and his companions 'knew'.

So what is Prof. Mobeen Shahid going to teach about Islam and the Catholic Faith , at the I.S.S.R Ecclesia Mater,Rome when in public he is not willing to speak the truth? 1

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He is not affirming Vatican Council II.He is denying Vatican Council II in public and yet his mandatum;his canonical status to teach, has not been revoked by Cardinal Agostino Vallini, Vicar General, Rome (Vicariato).
Instead, its because he denies Vatican Council II that Mobeen Shahid is given the canonical status by Cardinal Vallini, to teach theology at the Ecclesia Mater of the Rome Vicariate.
Mobeen knows theology and yet he is denying the Faith.
Immagine correlataFor me all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the path to Hell according to the Catholic Church ( Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 , Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441etc).
I do not know of any exception in 2015 to Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II which says all need ' faith and baptism' for salvation.
I do not know of any case this year, or in the past,saved with the baptism of desire or baptism of blood and without the baptism of water.I do not know of any one saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8), 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) and without the baptism of water.I do not know of any one saved without the baptism of water this year, because God is not limited to the Sacraments (CCC 1257).
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Neither does Mobeen Shahid know of any exception to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus or to Vatican Council II 8AG 7, LG 14).
Mobeen has a doctorate from the Pontifical University John Lateran, Rome and teaches philosophy there and he is denying the Catholic Faith.
If I can affirm the Faith why cannot Mobeen?
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piazza S.Giovanni in Laterano,4
00184 Roma
Te.06 6988.6298; 06 6989.5664
Tel./Fax 06 6988.6280
Mobeen Shahid, Prof,Ph.D (PUL)
EM,inc., La mistica islamica:terreno d'incontro tra Islam e Cristianesimo.
ISSR- Ordine Degli Studi Anno Academico 2015-2016


Mobeen Shahid is teaching a lie like the other professors at the Pontifical Lateran University, Rome to protect his career. He is encouraged in this by Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Vicar General in Rome who hands out mandatums , canonical permissions to teach, to Catholic professors who teach a falsehood with the Magisterium's permission.So Mobeen's canonical status has not been revoked.
Mobeen will not affirm Vatican Council II which says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation(AG 7, LG 14).Nor will he affirm the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) in agreement with Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).He is unable to say that according to Vatican Council II and EENS all Muslims in 2015 need to convert into the Catholic Church formally; with faith and baptism, to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
Instead like other obedient professors including priests, he will teach that LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 etc refer to explicit cases, visible in daily life in Rome or elsewhere. These objective cases, for him have been saved with 'faith and baptism' so they are exceptions to the orthodox passages in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 , they contradict the dogma EENS. So these professors teach every one that all Muslims and other non Catholics do not need to formally enter the Church for salvation, since there are exceptions.
Some professors  extend the exceptions to most Muslims, others keep it vague.
It's irrational and a falsehood to say LG 16, LG 8, LG 14 etc refer to known cases in the present times.
I have e-mailed these blog posts to Mobeen.Also in the past I have asked him two questions and he would not answer.
How can Dr.Mobeen Shahid, an Assistant Professor of Philosophy ( Phenomenology/ EdithStein/Husserl) reason philosophically that LG 16 refers to explicit cases and so is an objective exception to the dogma EENS and the need for all to formally enter the Church with 'faith and baptism'?
This is the philosophical reasoning taught to students in the Philosophy Department of the John Lateran University Rome by Mobeen and Prof.Angela Ales Bello ?
They both will not answer two questions which I have asked them. They have the mandatum to teach as Catholics.
Mobeen is following general instructions. It is not anything original and different which he is doing as a Catholic professor in Rome.

Professor of theology at Ecclesia Mater, Rome shy to comment on Islam

According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) Islam is not a parth to salvation and Muslims need to formally convert into the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell- but this is not going to be taught to students by a lay professor Mobeen Shahid.
Dr. Mobeen Shahid offers a course on Islamic Mysticism and the encounter between Christianity and Islam in the 2015-2015 semester of the Ecclesia Mater of the Pontifical Lateran University, Rome.The course would be frequented by lay and religious in Rome.It is approved by the Vicariate of Rome.
Dr.Shahid, a Pakistani Assistant professor of Philosophy accepts Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth). However for him LG 16 and LG 8 refer to explicit instead of implicit cases, people who are visible instead of invisible in the present times.So this is an excuse to reject the 'rigoristic interpretation' of the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So he will not say that the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching is that all Muslims need to convert for salvation.Instead he will say that LG 16 is an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma. So all Muslims do not need to convert since there are exceptions for him.This is the officially correct teaching in the Rome diocese. The exceptions( people in Heaven) are persons known, objective and explicit in 2015.Ghosts!
I too accept LG 16 and LG 8 but for me these cases are invisible and known only to God.So they are not objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors. So according to the Catholic Church (Vatican Council II) all  Muslims in Rome need to enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.
Over the last ten years or so I have often e-mailed Mobeen and asked him to answer basic questions on the Faith with regard to salvation. He will not.  I met him personally in Rome  and reminded him about this.He laughed and said "No Comment".
In the bibliography of the course he offers is Fr.Hans Kung's book on Islam.
Part 6
Jesus only without the neccesity of membership in the Church is being taught in theology at St. Anselm Rome

Risultati immagini per Photos of Fr. S. Visintin OSB

A course on salvation is being taught at the Benedictine  St. Anselm University Rome by the theology department which excludes the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation.

It presents Jesus without the necessity of formal entry into the Church, with ' faith and baptism' (AG 7, LG 14, Vatican Council II ) for salvation.The course is taught by E. López-Tello García.
This was not the salvation theology of St. Benedict.

Fr. S. Visintin OSB  is the Dean of Theology who otherwise affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and says being saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or in invincible ignorance are not explicit exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma. They are accepted as possibilities known only to God.Immagine correlata
In other courses in theology Garcia interprets Vatican Council II as a break with the past. This would of course only be possible by mixing up the explicit-implicit distinction of LG 16 etc.This is being done officially at other Pontifical universities as if on cue.

33622 Dire la salvezza oggi

E. López-Tello García


: Al termine del seminario lo studente è in grado di:

- studiare personalmente un modello soteriologico;
- approfondire le implicazioni di esso per l’insieme della teologia;

170 FT
- formulare in linguaggio contemporaneo il messaggio di salvezza.
: Il messaggio cristiano è innanzitutto un messaggio di salvezza. Cristo è il Salvatore, egli solo è il Redentore. Nonostante, il problema che confronta la Chiesa oggi è che si tende a non parlare sulla dimensione salvifica di Gesù Cristo (egli ci ha liberati dal peccato e dalla morte). La maggioranza dei cristiani preferiscono, invece, trattare solo sulla sua dimensione morale (egli ha fatto tutto bene, perciò noi dobbiamo seguire la strada del bene). Possiamo proclamare il Vangelo senza annunciare la salvezza? Come possiamo rendere testimonianza oggi della nostra liberazione? Quale linguaggio possiamo usare perché tutti riescano a capirci? È possibile annunciare il vangelo in termini semplici?
1. Il contenuto del messaggio di salvezza
2. Modelli di spiegazioni della salvezza
3. Proposte coerenti con la teologia
4. Proposte aperte alla pastorale 
: M. Gronchi, Trattato su Gesù Cristo Figlio di Dio Salvatore, Brescia 2008; B. Sesboüé, Il Dio della salvezza. I-VIII secolo: Dio, la Trinità, il Cristo, l’economia della salvezza, Casale Monferrato 1996; Idem, Gesù Cristo, l’unico mediatore. Saggio sulla redenzione e la salvezza. I., Cinisello Balsamo 1991.


Part 7

Pope Francis has still closed the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate seminary and now we know that the issue was not the Traditional Latin Mass(TLM)but ecclesiology.TLM is associated with the old ecclesiology.
The seminarians at the former seminary of philosophy at Boccea, Rome were sent to other pontifical seminaries in Rome.There the ecclesiology is new and based on Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani's mistake.Lumen Gentium 16(LG 16) is considered an explcit exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the oldecclesiology.
So all seminarians in Rome now, like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI, have to accept Pope Pius XII's error.They have to use fantasy theology. They have to assume that the dead-saved  in invincible ignorance(LG 16) are known in the present times.They are objective for us human beings. So they become exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Hypothetical cases , known only to God, seminarians must affirm, are defacto and personally known in 2015 , to contradict the teaching on all needing to remain in the Church.The things you have to say and do today to be a Catholic priest!
 Recently Cardinal Wilfrid Napier  and the sedevacantists  Bishop Donald Sanborn  and Fr. Anthony Cekada agreed that we cannot see people in Heaven, in the present times, saved without the baptism  of water.Yet the former FFI seminarians  have to say they can  see the dead. This is if they still want to be priests.
If they do not proclaim this falsehood , then there will be no exceptions in Vatican Council II  to the rigorist intepretation of EENS.Ecclesiology will once again be traditional and rational. It wouldnot be politically correct with the Left. 
Now the seminarians have to affirm an irrational ecclesiology which suggests that the dead for us,  saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, are visible, so there is salvation outside the Church. Since allegedly there is known salvation outside the Church every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church for salvation in the present times.
The new irrational ecclesiology is being followed also by the new Salesian Commissar of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.
No clarification or  help can be expected from the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the other traditionalists.Since they are also making the same error, which originated during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.It was accepted by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Von Hildebrand, Michael Davis and others.The Marchetti error is part of the curriculum in SSPX seminaries too. It can be read in a book published by the SSPX professor of Ecclesioloy at Econe, Fr.Jean Marie Gleize (Concilio Vaticano II : Un Dibattito Aperto).He has no clue to the cause of the error.
It seemed the same with the former commissar of the FFI, Fr.Fidenzio Volpi OFM cap. He referred to going back to the old ecclesiology as 'crypto Lefebvre'.He did not know what created thenew ecclesiology and assumed it was Vatican Council II.He also could have assumed that the liturgy of the old Mass was responsible for theold ecclesiology.It was not.
Traditionalists with the SSPX and MICM do not want to talk about this issue.Sedevacantists on Twiter get angry when they are shown that Pope Pius XII made an objective mistake.They do not want to discuss this issue any more.It would mean all these years they had made a mistake on Vatican Council II.
Meanwhile, a diocesan priest in Rome, who was a formator at the closed seminary in Boccea  and who specialised on EENS academically, is still promoting Marchetti's error.It seems the prudent thing to do.He would give some good homilies at the Church of the Annunziata.
It is now some two years.I have not attended the FFI  Traditional Latin  Mass  at the church of the Annunziata, in Lungotevere, Rome.Pope Francis' ban is still being implemented in that small church.Religious magazines ( Christ to the World) have been suspended and their editorial policy changed.
No mercy for the old ecclesiology.

If any priest says that LG 16 etc are zero cases in 
Vatican Council II he will get a phone call from the
Vicariate, maybe a visit from Bishop Matteo Zuppi, 
the Sant Egidio auxiliary bishop in Rome, or be
 contacted by his superior.
Since the Masons have made it a condition 
that no one should be allowed to interpret 
Vatican Council II without the Marchetti
 theology, the Marchetti ecclesiology. Priests 
have to say that they can see people in Heaven
 in the present times saved without the baptism
 of water.
Today morning I was talking to a priest who 
agrees that there are no personally known,
 physically visible cases of persons saved without 
the baptism of water today. These cases in 
Heaven are not visible to us. They are
 hypothetical cases for us. So they cannot
 be exceptions to rigorist interpretation of the 
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
This is Feeneyism.
If I post the name of the priest here 
he will get a warning from the Vatican/Vicariate.
 He knows this.This blog is monitored by the 
So even though he knows there are no
 exceptions he is still going to interpret
 Vatican Council II with the Marchetti model.
It is common for priests who offer the Traditional
 Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass, to use
 the new ecclesiology, based on 
Marchetti's wrong premise and inference.Liturgy
 is then politically correct.
This is politically acceptable for  the Vatican 
even though it is not the truth and not the teaching
 of the Catholic Church in Vatican Council II 
according to Feeneyism.
If this priest intepreted Vatican Council II
 with Feeneyism he would be saying that
 all Jews, Muslims and other non Catholics, 
according to Vatican Council II, need to 
convert into the Church to avoid Hell.
This is Vatican Council II according to 

Professors of theology like Dr.Joseph Shaw, 
John Lamont and Thomas Pink use the Marchetti
 model to interpret Vatican Council II. They have 
received the mandatum to teach theology only 
because they use Marchetti's model.

Similarly Prof. Robert de Mattei, Corrado
 Gnerre, Fr.Francesco Giordano and others
 in Italy, also use the Marchetti model to 
interpret Vatican Council II.They would not 
dare intepret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.
They would not be allowed to teach.

Any one who studies theology, salvation
 theology ( soteriology), at a Vatican approved 
university or seminary, has to use the Marchetti
 irrationality to interpret the dogma and Vatican 
Council II.
They can attend/offer the Traditional Latin 
Mass, but only  with the new ecclesiology,
 since it is official and obligatory.
Part 8

The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal Kaspar is based on the objective error in the Letter 

of the Holy Office 1949

Cardinal Kaspar spoke on the “Theological
 Background of the Ecclesiological and 
Ecumenical Vision of Pope Francis.” 1
The ecclesiology of Pope Francis and Cardinal
 Kaspar is based on the objective error in the 
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it was assumed 
that persons in Heaven were visible on earth to be 
explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation
 of extra eclesiam nulla salus. Pope Francis and
 Cardinal Kaspar reject the dogma.
Their ecclesiology is also supported
 by the irrational inference they use in 
the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
 Visible-for-us Lumen Gentium 16 is an
 exception to all needing faith and baptism
 for salvation (Ad Gentes 7). So Vatican Council
 II becomes a break with the past since there is
 defacto, known, objectively seen cases of non 
Catholics, in 2014 ,saved without the baptism 
of water. Really? Objectively seen deceased 
LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 all refer to persons now

 saved and who are known and seen in 2014
 on earth with the naked eye for the pope and 
Cardinal Kaspar. They would have to be 
seen to be exceptions to the traditional 
teaching on salvation i.e every one needs
 to the baptism of water in the Catholic Church
 for salvation.
Since there is salvation outside the Church for
 them ( as if they could provide the name and 
surname of these ghosts visible on earth)
 Protestants and Orthodox Christians do not
 have to convert into the Catholic Church. 
The visible dead theory is the basis for their 
theology on ecumenism.
This is bad theology. It is based on an 

irrational premise.
Part 9

Pope Pius XII made a factual mistake :

 ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo and 

Traditional Latin Mass are now the same

Vatican must stop targetting the Latin Mass with the traditional ecclesiology.
Since the factual mistake of Pope Pius XII shows that the ecclesiology of the Mass in the vernacular is the same as that of the Traditional Latin Mass.
Catholic Religious who offer the Novus Ordo Mass say there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The new ecclesiology, new 
theology and the theology of
 religions is based on 
there being salvation outside
 the Catholic Church.There is no 
such known case.This is a factual 
mistake which has been made in the 
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the
 Archbishop of Boston during the
 pontificate of Pope Pius XII.

It is important for the Franciscans
of the Immaculate  and the Fischer 
More College , who have been
 deprived of the Traditional Latin 
Mass , to note the error of Pope PIus
 XII which has entered Vatican
 Council II. Vatican Council II ,without
 the irrational premise, supports
Fr.Leonard Feeney. 

It is crypto Lefebvrian to 
assume that the deceased-saved
 are visible on earth in 2014. 
Since this is the wrong reading
 of the Letter of the Holy Office 
1949 by the Society of St.Pius X
 (SSPX) .
All traditionalists must affirm 
Vatican Council II ( without the
 false premise) . Vatican Council
 II without the visible-dead premise
 is as traditional as Fr.Leonard Feeney.

They must continue to reject 
Vatican Council II and the Letter 
of the Holy Office when it is 
assumed that those saved in
 invincible ignorance (LG 16) 
are an exception to the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Being saved in invincible
 ignorance or the baptism 
of desire, are always invisible 
for us.So they are not exceptions
 to the traditional interpretation
 of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

 This was an error, a new 
doctrine which came into
 the Catholic Church during 
the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.-


Ecclesiology does not depend on liturgy in Rome

Mons. Ignacio Barreiro, Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP and Fr.Francesco Giordano will not affirm the 'old ecclesiology' in public in Rome.

They offer the Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome 
and affirm the 'new ecclesiology' even after being
 infomed. Neither will they provide their name and 
telephone number , for any one who wants 
information about the teachings of the Catholic
 Church.They will not provide this information for
 a pamphlet which says the Catholic Church teaches 
that Islam and the other religions are not paths 
to salvation. They call it being prudent. They mean
this in a worldly sense.
They do not want to be persecuted while they will
 persecute any one who affirms the 'old 
ecclesiology' and the dogmaextra ecclesiam 
nulla salus.
Vatican Council II is in accord with the dogma
 on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church
 and the position of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
 They are not going to say this in public.
So here we have the ecclesiology not being dependent on the Traditional Latin Mass as the SSPX believes it is.
Then there are priests who offer the Novus 
Ordo Mass in Rome who affirm the dogma
on salvation in agreement with Vatican Council
 II and the Catechism of the Catholic 
Church.They support the 'old ecclesiology'. 
The new ecclesioology would be irrational
 since it is based on an irrational premise.
 It uses the dead man walking and visible 
So ecclesiology, here depends on the use or
 omission of a false premise in the
 interpretation of magisterial documents.
This is independent of the liturgy.
Part 10



I  repeat: the traditional theology( ecclesiology) 
is every one needs to be a visible member of the
 Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions.

This is compatible with the Catechism of the Catholic
 Church (846) saying all who are saved are saved
 through Jesus and the Church.

It is compatible with those who say that all 
salvation comes from Jesus' Sacrifice and it is
 mediated through Jesus and the Church.

It is compatible since physically we do not know 
any one in 2013 saved in the so called 'exceptions
 category' i.e the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc.

If you would acknowledge that physically we 
cannot see these cases then you could also 
accept that being saved with a good conscience etc
 in Vatican Council II are not exceptions to the
 traditional understanding that every one needs
 to be a visible member of the Church for salvation,
 in 2013.



'When we profess one Baptism for the forgiveness 
of sins we are professing that our Lord instituted
 one sacrament of baptism for the forgiveness 
of sins, but we are not professing that the baptisms
 of blood and desire are not included in the one
 Baptism, for they certainly are, “in so far as they
 produce the effect of the Baptism of Water.' 
Could this also include those saved with
 a good conscience (LG 16),elements of 
sanctification (LG , seeds of the word (AG),
 imperfect communion with the church (UR) etc ?

So in 2013 every adult needs Catholic Faith
 with the baptism of water for salvation, the
 baptism of water being the only known and
 repeatable form of baptism ? There are no
 known exceptions to the baptism of water and
 Catholic Faith, for salvation?

When we profess one Baptism for the forgiveness
 of sins we are professing that our Lord instituted
 one sacrament of baptism for the forgiveness
 of sins, but we are not professing that the baptisms
 of blood and desire are not included in the one 
Baptism, for they certainly are, “in so far as they
 produce the effect of the Baptism of Water.”

This is one theology.There could be others.
If you use the primacy of grace it could be 
expressed differently.Similalry, if you accept 
Our Lady as Co Redemptrix and Mediatrix 
of All Grace it is expressed differently. 
Though the understanding would be the same.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (846) has
 the same message when it says all who are saved
 are saved through Jesus and the Church.

All this does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla
 salus according to the traditional ecclesiology
(theological understanding of Church). For salvation, 
every one needs to be a visible member of the 
Catholic Church and there are no known exceptions
 of invincible ignorance, implicit desire, good 
conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect 
communion with the Church, etc.

The new theology is false if one assumes there are
 known exceptions to the traditional understanding
 of Church according to the dogma 
extra ecclesiam nulla salus


Part 11






They Vatican is supported by the Jewish Left 
media but they have no citations for their 
‘ecclesiology of communion’, ‘theology of religions’
 and ‘non Catholics do not have to convert for
The SSPX –Vatican (Ladaria-Morerod) talks were kept secret. This helped the Vatican which has no citations from the Council for their new theories and obligations.

1.Eclesiology of communion Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II says all 
need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water 
for salvation.Since LG 8 and LG 16 are not
 explicit they do not contradict AG 7. The
 Curia cannot cite LG 8 or LG 16 as 

2.Theology of religions:As mentioned above Ad Gentes 7, Vatican
 Council II says all need Catholic Faith and
 the baptism of water. Since LG 8 and LG 
16 are not explicit they do not contradict 
AG 7.Neither do we know who is saved 
with the seeds of the Word and imperfect
 communion with the Church.
AG 7 is in accord with the literal interpetation
 of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
 salus and there are no known exceptions.
Cardinals Ladaria and Koch cannot cite any
 exceptions from the Council.

3. Jews do not have to convert in the present time :There is no text in Vatican Council II to support this un-biblical theory. This new political view is contradicted by AG 7, the Bible (John 3:5,Mk.16:16), the dogma on salvation etc.

4.Jews are the Chosen People of God : The Bible says Jews need to convert and 
there is a New Covenant. Nostra Aetate 4,
Vatican Council II says Catholics 'are the new 
people of God'.

Where is the text in Vatican Council II which refers to an ecclesiology of communion?

The Theological and Spiritual Section of the 50th International Eucharistic Congress has just appealed to the Spirit of Vatican Council II and without any texts says that the focus should be on Jesus and so communion with all Christian denominations. It then assumes that the Holy Spirit is promoting the Church in this direction.(1)

In other words I could in the name of Jesus and the Spirit of Vatican Council II attend a Jehovah's Witness program and in communion with them do street evangelization, distribute sacred pictures of Jesus and also speak about  Jesus as understood by their religion.
It also means according to the organisers that the Holy Spirit is denying Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and is saying that for salvation all non Catholics no more need to enter the Church.

Even though Vatican Council II indicates outside the church there is no salvation and there is an exclusive ecclesiocentrism in the Catholic Church, as in the past, it is being said that the Spirit now teaches something different i.e Protestant and Orthodox Christians are not on the way to Hell, unless they convert. Instead, their religions are equal paths to salvation as the Catholic Church. So joint evangelization is being encouraged in the name of Jesus even with those in the mortal sin of faith, in heresy.
Where is the text in Vatican Council II which refers to an ecclesiology of communion?
There is none!

Promoting the Ecclesiology and Spirituality of Communion
34. In the light of the Second Vatican Council’s
 ecclesiology of communion that centred on the 
Person of Jesus Christ, it could be said that the
 Spirit today is prompting the whole Church in
 the direction of promoting a spirituality of 
communion that lets Jesus Christ be
 seen and encountered.-THE EUCHARIST 
 ONE ANOTHER Theological and Pastoral
 Reflections in Preparation for the 50th 
International Eucharistic Congress. June 
10-17 Dublin Ireland.
Part 12

Fr. Francois Laisney indicates that for the SSPX the Church is no more ecclesiocentric since there are explicit exceptions to the dogma on


Fr.Francois Laisney of the SSPX ‘s
 controversial book Is Feeneyism
 Catholic is available on the 
Internet and it indicates why the 
Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) does not realize that their error is in ecclesiology, the rejection of ecclesiocentrism and not realizing that Vatican
 Council II is a traditional Council 
in agreement with traditional values,
 including that of the SSPX on
 other religions, ecumenism and 
religious liberty.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre 
admitted that a person could
 be saved in invincible ignorance
 etc but did not say that these cases
 were explicitly known to us or that 
they are explicit exceptions to the
 dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
In the book made available for 
SSPX seminarians Fr.Laisney 
who has been associated with
 the Australian branch of the
 community writes on the baptism
 of desire and is critical of Fr.Leonard
 Feeney just like the liberals.
His oversight is : he assumes that
 the baptism of desire is  an explicit
 exception to the literal interpretation 
of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla 
If Fr.Leonard Feeney accepted
 the baptism of desire or rejected
 it , he does not realize, is irrelevant
 to his literal interpretation of the dogma.
This is the point missed out by other
 SSPX priests too and also their
 bishops.Since they assume that
 the baptism of desire and invincible
 ignorance are explicit exceptions 
to the dogma they assume that 
LG 16, Vatican Council II contradicts
 the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla  salus. 
This was the propaganda of Fr.Hans
 Kung but the error  originated
 with Cardinal Richard Cushing and
 the Jesuits in Boston in the 1940’s.
Since the SSPX believes that those
 saved with a good conscience etc 
are known to us they assume that 
Vatican Council II contradicts
 the traditional teaching on other 
religions etc.

So for the SSPX the Church is no more ecclesiocentric since there are explicit exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Fr. Peter Scott of the SSPX 
Many erudite works (I recommend Father Rulleau’s
 book, Baptism of Desire and Father Laisney’s 
new book, Is Feeneyism Catholic? published by 
Angelus Press, which will be available by the end
 of May) list texts from the Fathers and theologians,
 who are unanimous in their teaching about the 
possibility of baptism of blood and desire.
The Church Fathers  are unanimous in their teaching about the possibility of baptism of desire but none of them claim that these cases are explicitly known as Fr. Scott implies. None of them have said that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the dogma on salvation. So for Fr. Scott the Church is no more ecclesiocentric. There  are known exceptions. No wonder their community is confused on Vatican Council II. They say they accept extra ecclesiam nulla salus but mean there are explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation.
The problem is not with Vatican
Council II but their interpretation which is irrational. Since cases saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are unknown to us. They can only be accepted in principle.They cannot be exceptions known to us.
It's now a few years that I have been writing on this subject. No one from the SSPX refuteswhat I write or even comments.-Lionel Andrades

Is the Catholic Church ecclesiocentric

 SSPX? It cannot be ecclesiocentric if

 those saved with the baptism of desire 

are explicitly known and not just

 accepted in principle.

The Society of St.Pius X professors
 of ecclesiology need to be asked
 how can the Church be 
ecclesiocentric if it is is accepted
 that those saved in invincible
 ignorance are known to us,
 instead of being known only 
to God.

This is the error being
 taught at SSPX seminaries.
The Church Fathers and
 the Magisterial documents  
only mention being saved in 
invincible ignorance  and implicit
 desire.Neither do they state 
that the dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus has been contradicted.

Neither does the Letter of the
 Holy Office 1949 make this claim 
when it mentions ‘the
 dogma’ the ‘infallible statement'.
 The text of the dogma is the literal 
interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 
1949 assumed implicit desire is an 
exception to the dogma then
 it was  a mistake.Since
 if Fr. Leonard Feeney rejected
 the baptism of desire, in 
principle or fact, it is irrelevant 
to his literal interpretation of the

The  SSPX has made an error in ecclesiology and are ‘piutting the blaime’ on Vatican Council  II. I can accept Vatican Council  II as a traditional Council and affirm the traditional teachings on ecumenism and other religions, which is also held by the SSPX.

The  SSPX like the Vatican Curia 
 does not accept the Catholic
 Church as  ecclesiocentric
 since they think that there are
 known exceptions, in heaven 
and on earth, to the traditional 
interpretation of the dogma.

Also when they accept  that 
all in  general on earth need
to enter the Church for salvation, 
they cannot say that there 
is exclusive salvation in only 
the Catholic Church, because
 of the‘exceptions’.

Similarly they believed that all 
in  general at the Assisi
 interfaith meeting needed
 to convert into the Church 
for salvation but could not 
say all with  no known exceptions
need to convert.

For the SSPX bishops 
 Vatican Council II contradicts
 the dogma on exclusive salvation 
when it is really their interpretation
 that is in error.

They could not point out 
the error in the
 International Theological 
Commission papers during the 
Vatican-SSPX talks , since like
 Fr.Luiz Ladaria S.J and Fr.
 Charles Morerod O.P, 
the SSPX team assumed 
that the Church is no more
So the error is in ecclesiology, their interpretation , and they assume it is in Vatican CouncilII with respect to other religions,ecumenism and religious  liberty..

Fr.Jean Marie Gleize says Vatican Council II contradicts outside the church there is no salvation:

 no such Council text cited

Fr.Jean Marie Gleize, the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) professor of ecclesiology who also teachesat the SSPX seminary in Econe says:
Note: Father Gleize says : "The past Magisterium
 affirms that outside the Catholic Church ( in the
 heretical sects and schismatics who are considered
 as such) there is no salvific value and that Divine 
Providence does not use these sects as the
 means of salvation, Vatican II says exactly
 the opposite " (1)


The past Magisterium has 
affirmed outside the church
 there is no salvation and 
it is Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
 himself who has said that non
 Catholics can be saved in 
their religion. So Vatican Counci
II would be in agreement with
 Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.(2) 
However Vatican Council II does 
not state that non Catholics are 
saved in general in their religion.
There is no such text.
If there was such clear text it would
 contradict Ad Gentes 7 which says
 all need faith and baptism.
Fr.Gleize is using the false
 premise in the interpretation
 of LG 8 and UR 3 (p.128).
Ad Gentes 7 (3) and Lumen 

Gentium 14 refer to the 
ordinary means of salvation
(Redemptoris Missio 55).
 LG 16( invincible ignorance),
LG 8 and LG 3 cannot rationally
 be considered the ordinary means
 of salvation.
When Archbishop Lefebvre said
 that a Hindu in  Tibet could
 be saved in his religion he was
 speaking about a hypothetical 
case. We do not know any 
such case said 
Fr. Mauro Tranquillo yesterday
(4). So if there is someone saved
 in another religion with the 
baptism of desire or in invincible
 ignorance it is not a known 
exception to the past
 Magisterial teaching on outside 
the church there is no salvation.
Archbishop Lefebvre
 has affirmed the
 dogma extra 
ecclesiam nulla
 salus which is the 
norm. He accepts the possibility
 of a non Catholic being saved 
in his religion and this hypthetical
 case would not contradict
 the dogma on salvation.
Fr.Jean Marie Gleize 
uses the false premise
 usually in the interpretation
 of Vatican Council II 
(5) and this is  cited by
 Cristina Siccardi.(p.128).He
 interprets Vatican Council 
II (LG 8 and UR 3) with the
false premise.


Nota di padre Gleize: "Il magistero
 anteriore afferma che al di fuori 
della Chiesa cattolica, nelle sette
 schismatiche ed eretiche prese 
come tali: ne vi è alcun valore 
salvifico e che la Divina Provvidenza
 non si serve di queste sette come
 dei mezzi di salvezza , il Vaticano
 II afferma esattamente il contrario"

I'Inverno della Chiesa deopo il Concilio Vatiano II- i mutamenti e le cause- Cristina Siccardi (Sugarco,Milano 2013) pp.128-133

Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.” (The Angelus, “A Talk Heard Round the World,” April, 2006, p. 5.)
Evidently,certain distinctions must be made. Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism,etc.), but not by this religion. There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions,who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.("Against the Heresies",p.216)

Therefore, all must be converted to
Him, made known by the Church's
 preaching, and all must be incorporated
into Him by baptism and into the
Church which is His body. For Christ
Himself "by stressing in express language
 the necessity of faith and baptism
 (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same
 time confirmed the necessity of the
Church, into which men enter by baptism,
 as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus-Fr.Mauro Tranquilo


False Premise : We can physically 
see , know a Protestant in
 2013 saved as such.
Cases of imperfect communion
 with the Church are visible
 to us so they are known
 exceptions to extra
 ecclesiam nulla salus.
Without the False Premise: UR 3 refers to a 
possibility known only
 to God. Since it is 
unknown to us it
 cannot be an exception
 to the dogma on
 exclusive salvation.
False Premise: We can physically see,
 know a Jew or Hindu who
 is 'good and holy' 
and is saved in 2013.
Cases of good and holy
 non Catholics who are
 saved or going to 
be saved, are known 
exceptions to the
 dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus.
Without the False Premise: NA 2 is a 
possibility , a hypothetical
 case. It is irrelevant
 to the dogma on salvation.

False Premise: Those saved with the 
' seeds of the Word'
 (AG 11 etc) are 
personally known 
to us. We can meet them.
Conclusion: Since these cases 
are personally known 
to us , they are 
visible exceptions
 to the dogma 
outside the church
 there is no salvation.
Without the False Premise: There are no known 
exceptions to the
 traditional teaching
 on other religions.NA 
2 is not one of them.


Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who made an objective error in ecclesiology protests the beatification

Fr.Jean Marie Gleize who 
says there is an exceptional 
way of salvation, as if we know 
of exceptions in 2013, to the
 dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus has protested the
 beatification of Pope John 
Paul II and Pope John XXII.
 He is officially supported 
by Bishop Bernard Fellay 
the Superior General of the

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According to the
 website of the 
SSPX (N.America) (1): 
The serious problems with the beatification of 
John XXIII and John Paul II, and the difficulties
 that result now from their canonization, force us
 to question the soundness of the 
beatifications and canonizations proclaimed 
since Vatican Council II, according to a new
 procedure and unheard-of criteria. Le Courrier
 de Rome #341 (February 2011) published
 a study under the title “Beatification and
 Canonization Since Vatican II”, in which Fr. 
Jean-Michel Gleize, professor of Ecclesiology 
at the Seminary of Econe, points out three
 difficulties that show how far our doubts 
on the question are from being groundless. 
Here is a summary by the author himself.

Fr. Gleize's summary 

Without pretending to give the final word on
 the matter (for that is reserved to God), we 
can at least point out three major difficulties 
that suffice to raise doubts as to the soundness
 of the new beatifications and canonizations.
 The first two question the infallibility and 
certitude of these acts. The third questions 
their very definition

Fr.Gleize has made
 a factual error. He
 has assumed that 
the dead are visible
 to us. He then 
concludes that Vatican Council
 II contradicts the dogma 
extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 So like the SSPX leadership 
he is critical of Pope John 
XXIII and Pope John Paul II.
The website states:
The 1989 Profession of Faith in effect 
distinguishes  three categories of truths that 
constitute the object of the teaching of the supreme
 Magisterium: truths formally revealed and infallibly
 defined, truths taught authentically, and truths 
proposed definitively and infallibly because of a
 logical link or historical connection with formal 
In the Nicene Creed, which
 is recited during the Profession
 of Faith the SSPX leadership
 and Fr.John Marie Gleize 
mean there are 'three known
 baptisms for the forgivess of 
sins, water,blood and desire'.
 Reason and faith tell us 
that there is only one 
known baptism for the 
forgiveness of sin. The baptism
 of desire and blood are known 
only to God and are not visible
 to us as is the baptism of water.
So this is 
a first class 
heresy of
Gleize . It also contradicts 
the SSPX General Chapter 
Statement (2012) (2) in which
 the dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus is affirmed and it
 was said  that there are no 

Without the Fr.John Marie
 Gleize's exceptional way,
 Vatican Council II is
 traditional and the SSPX
 should be welcoming the
 beatification of the two popes.
Without known exceptions to
 the defined dogma on salvation
 there is no new ecclesiology
 taught in Vatican Council II. 


Elementary My Dear Watson!

 Elementary My Dear Watson :The supposed explanation that Sherlock Holmes 
gave to his assistant, Dr. Watson, when explaining 
deductions he had made.

In fact the line doesn't appear in the Conan 
Doyle books, only later in Sherlock Holmes' films.
 He does come rather close at a few of points.
 Holmes says "Elementary" in 'The Crooked
 Man', and "It was very superficial, my dear 
Watson, I assure you" in 'The Cardboard 
Box'. He also says "Exactly, my dear Watson, 
in three different stories.The phrase was 
first used by P. G. Wodehouse, in Psmith 
Journalist, 1915 (1)
For something to be an 
exception it has to exist. 
If something is not there
 it is not an exception. This 
is elementary.
If there is a crate of 
oranges and there is one
 apple within, the apple
 in the box is an exception.
 If it did not exist it 
would not be an exception.
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Fr. Jean Marie Gleize of the SSPX  in his book on Vatican Council II says there is an exceptional way of salvation . This  would imply that there are known exceptions  to all needing to convert into the Church for salvation. There are no such known cases! He - does not know anyone  saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3). So there are no exceptions! Elementary!
Similarly Archbishop 
Augustine Di Noia of
 Ecclesia Deimade an
 elementary mistake.
 In  an interview with
 theNational Catholic
 Register he said that 
 those saved with 
'elements of 
sanctification and
 truth' (LG 8) are
 exceptions to the 
dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus.These cases
 do not exist in our reality.
Likewise  Archbishop 
Gerhard Muller said that
 being saved in invincible
 ignorance is an exeption to
 the dogma extra ecclesiam
 nulla salus. So for him all 
do not have to convert into
 the Church but only
 those who know. 
Archbishop Muller does not
 know who knows and who
 does not know and will 
be saved. So why
 mention it as an exception.
It is a possibility yes, but 
not an exception.
Similarly when the SSPX 
and SSPX-SO claim
 there are known 
exceptions in Vatican
 Council II to the 
traditional teaching 
on other religions, 
ecumenism and religious
 liberty they are making
 an elementary error. 
There are no such known
 cases mentioned in 
Vatican Council II. 
There are only possibilities.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Michael Voris also made a fundamental  error when they claimed Vatican Council II is ambigous. Yes it would be ambigous if you asumed we could see the dead saved in invincible ignorance etc.Salvation in Heaven in 2013 is not visible to us on earth.Elementary My Dear Watson.
Invincible ignorance and 
the baptism of desire 
are not known cases.So
 they are not exceptions
 to the literal 
interpretation of the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla salus
 as interpreted by Tradition
 and Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Elementary My Dear Watson.

Bishop Bernard Fellay could check the non traditional, irrational errors in SSPX books

Bishop Bernard Fellay has said that the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) will return to the Catholic Church when the Church returns to Tradition.He could help by making the books published or distributed by the SSPX error-free which promotes a non traditional, irrational theory. 
Fr.Jean Marie Glieze  claims that in Mystici Corporis Pope Pius XII says ' in the exceptional way one can be saved outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church.' (1) Where is it mentioned in Mystici Corporis that in an exceptional way one can be saved outside the visible limits of the Church?.The preface for this book with the  error has been written by Bishop Bernard Fellay. This is  an objective error made in the Catholic Church at large and is responsible for the rejection of Tradition.
Then there is  a doctrinal 
error in Cristina Siccardi's, 
I'nverno della Chiesa dopo Il 
Concilio Vaticano II-i 
mutamenti e le cause 
(Sugarco Edizioni 2013,Milan,
Italy).I have e-mailed this 
message to her but there is no
 reply.Her  book is being sold
 at the SSPX chapel in Rome.
In Chapter 10 :Le 
Contraddizioni, le
 ambiguità, le omissioni
( p.128) it is said that
 the doctrine on 
the Church, as 
expresed in 
Lumen Gentium 8 contradicts
 the teachings of Pope 
Pius XII in Mystici Corporis and
 Humani Generis.
The doctrine on ecumenism 
Siccardi says as expressed 
in Lumen Gentium 8 and 
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 contradicts
 the teachings of Pope Pius 
IX in Propositions 16 and 17 
of the Syllabus of Errors and 
those of Leone XIII in Satis 
cognituum and Pope Pio XI in
 Mortalium animos.
Here are the quotes from 
Vatican Council II to which 
she refers:
This Church constituted and organized in the
 world as a society, subsists in the Catholic 
Church, which is governed by the successor
 of Peter and by the Bishops in communion 
with him, although many elements of 
sanctification and of truth are found outside 
of its visible structure. These elements, as 
gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are
 forces impelling toward catholic unity.-Lumen 
Gentium 8

For men who believe in Christ and have 
been truly baptized are in communion with the
 Catholic Church even though this 
communion is imperfect.-Unitatis Redintigratio 3
As I have mentioned in a 
previous blog post according
 to the SSPX priests in Italy,
there are no known 
exceptions to the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla salus
 and so if there are no 
exceptions to the dogma
 on exclusive salvation then 
there must also be no 
exceptions to the Syllabus
 of Errors. The SSPX 
priests acknowledge that
 a person can be 
saved in invincible ignorance 
or the baptism of desire as 
a possibility but they are not
There are no exceptions
 mentioned in Lumen Gentium
 8 and Unitatis Redintigratio 3,
 above.We do not know any
 one saved in 2013 with
 'elements of sanctification 
and grace' (LG 8). Neither do 
we know any one saved
 in 'imperfect communion
 with the Church'(UR 3).
So Cristiana Siccardi and Fr.J.M Gleize  have assumed that the dead now saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or in imperfect communion with the Church are exceptions to the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus.
Possibilities are not exceptions.
 So LG 8 and UR 3 are not 
exceptions to all non Catholics,
 Christian and non Christian,
 needing to enter the Church
 visibly for salvation. Neither 
are LG 8 and UR 3 exceptions
 to AG 7 and LG 14 which states
 allneed to convert into the 
Church.Neither Siccardi or 
Gleize mentions AG 7 which
 is in agreement with the
 Syllabus of Errors. So 
we have AG 7 in 
agreement with the Syllabus
 of Errors and there 
are no known exceptions
 mentioned in Vatican Council
 II to AG 7.
Is Feeneyism Catholic

This same error is made in a book 
published by the Angelus Press
 of the SSPX (USA). In Is Feeneyism 
Catholic' ,Fr. Francois Laisney, 
the SSPX priest assumes that
 being saved in invincible 
ignorance and the baptism of 
desire are known exceptions 
to the traditional interpretation of
 the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
This is a non traditional Catholic
 doctrine that the SSPX is 
promoting through its books
 and it wants the Church to come 
back to Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades

'19.Risposta alla terza obiezione: in Mystici
 corporis Pio XII dice che in via eccezionale 
ci si può salvare al di fuori dei limiti 
visibili della Chiessa Cattolica...'-Don J.M
 Gleize FSSPX(p.152. Editrice Ichthys.VIII 
Il 'Subsistit in'-Status Quaestionis),Vaticano
 II-Un Dibattito Aperto Questioni 
disputate sul XXI Concilio Ecumenico

Dean of Theology says  there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The loser was Fr.Jean Marie 
One does not have to be a Dean
 of Theology  to know that there
 are no visible exceptions to 
the dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus.This is something 
At Catholic universities and 
seminaries today there are
 professors and students who are
 saying irrational and incredible 
things.They have been doing so 
for the last 60-plus years. An 
exception is the Dean of 
Theology at St. Anselm
 University, Rome.On Oct.15
 he said there are no known
 exceptions to the dogma extra
 ecclesiam nulla salus.
Fr.P.Stefano Visinitin OSB (1) has 
said the obvious; obvious 
according to reason, but 
something which is difficult for
 many priests and professors.
It's obvious that one cannot 
meet or see people saved in
 invincible ignorance and the 
baptism of desire but this 
is so hard for some religious 
to proclaim in public.
There are no known or unknown
 exceptions to the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla 
salus. The traditional teaching
 of the Catholic Church 
has not changed after Vatican
 Council II, unless, you
 assume there are exceptions.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J 
and Fr.Jean Marie Gleize, who
 represented the Vatican 
and the SSPX respectively, in
 'doctrinal' talks, did not know 
the obvious.
They were both using a 
false premise in the 
interpretation of Vatican
 Council II.It was not obvious
 for them.
The loser in a sense  was 
Fr.Jean Marie Gleize and
 the other SSPX 
theologians.The Council is
 traditional and they did 
not know it because of their
 obvious mistake.

SSPX Prior says Fr.Jean Marie 

Gleize's use of the phrase 

'via eccezionale' will be

 clarified by the District 


Father Aldo Rossi , the SSPX 

Prior at Albano, Italy said on

 Sunday morning that he would 

speak with the SSPX District 

Superior in Italy Don Pier Paulo

 Petrucci to clarify the phrase

'via eccezionale'(exceptional 

way) used by Fr.Jean Marie 

Gleize in his book Vaticano II- 

Un Dibattito Aperto(Editrice

 Ichthys) 2013 which is published

 by the SSPX District Italy, 

Albano,Rome.It has a preface

 written by Bishop Bernard 

Fellay and has been approved

 by  Father  Petrucci.VaticanoII un dibattito aperto

'19.Risposta alla terza obiezione: in Mystici corporis Pio XII dice che in via eccezionale ci si può salvare al di fuori dei limiti visibili della Chiessa Cattolica...'-Don J.M Gleize FSSPX (p.152. Editrice Ichthys.VIII Il 'Subsistit in'-Status Quaestionis),Vaticano II-Un Dibattito Aperto Questioni disputate sul XXI Concilio Ecumenico
The SSPX Prior and myself
 agreed that there were no 
known exceptions to the 
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
 salus.This is also the
 position of other SSPX
 Italian priests with whom
 I spoke to in Rome.
For Fr.Jean Marie Gleize 
Vatican Council II contradicts
 the dogma extra ecclesiam 
nulla salus since there are
 known exceptions mentioned 
in the text of the Council.So  
Vatican Council II for him,
 is at odds with the traditional
 teaching on other religions
 and Christian communities 
and churches.
I had wanted to speak to 
the SSPX District Superior in 
Albano and tell him that
 there were two fundamental 
interpretations of Vatican 
Council II, Cushingism and 
Feeneyism and that the 
SSPX was using the irrational
 and heretical Cushingism,
 as was Fr.Gleize.
The Council is ambigous if 
Cushingism is used and it
 is not ambigous on the issue 
of other religions and Christian
 communities if Feeneyism
 is used in the interpretation.
When Archbishop Marcel 
Lefebvre mentioned the Hindu
 in Tibet who could be saved
 in his religion, this case 
according to Cushingism,
 is known to us in the present
 times and so is an exception
 to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 It would be the 'via 
eccezionale'. According to
 Feeneyism this case is not
 known to us personally and
 so cannot be relevant or 
an exception to the traditional 
 interpretation of the dogma
 on exclusive salvation in 
the Catholic Church.So there
 is no via eccezionale. The
 baptism of water is the only 
way of salvation for all in 
2013. The baptism of water 
is given by the Catholic 
Church to adults with Catholic
So when Vatican Council
 II refers to a non Catholic who 
can  be saved in his religion 
(NA 2 etc), there are elements 
of sanctification and faith in 
other religions (LG 8), invincible
 ignorance and a good conscience
 (LG 16), seeds of the 
Word...(AG 11) and imperfect 
communion with the Church
 (UR), we have possibilities,
 hypothetical cases, probabilities,
 what is accepted in principle 
and in faith but with no known 
reality. There is no defacto 
case in the present times.For
 these cases to be exceptions
 they would have to be known 
in 2013 . So  every one in 
2013, with no known exception,
 needs Catholic faith and the 
baptism of water for salvation 
( to go to Heaven and avoid Hell).
There has been no clarification 
from Fr.Jean Marie Gleize, or 
Econe or the SSPX (USA), to these
 blog posts sent to them. The SSPX
 (USA) makes the same error in a 
book written by Fr.Francois Laisney
 and published by the Angelus 
Press.Fr.Pier Paulo Petrucci
 has given the imprimatur for a few 
books in Italian which indicate 
that  there are known exceptions in

 Vatican Council II to Tradition, 
there is a via eccezionale.

Three Questions for Guido Pozzo

VaticanoII un dibattito apertoFr.J.M Gleize is no 
help to the Society
 of St.Pius X
 (SSPX). As a
 professor of 
Ecclesiology he 
should have been
 protesting at
 Ecclesia Dei, claiming full 
canonical status as a right
 since the Council is traditional 
on the issues of other religions
 and Christian communities. 
He cannot do it now 
because of his  irrational 
theology, leaving discerning 
liberals laughing up their 
Mons.Guido Pozzo (1) has only
 to be asked three questionsand his common sense 
answers will end the SSPX's

The questions are
 1. We personally do not know anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire ?

2.There is no magisterial document which says we know these cases?
3.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church do not state that we know these cases saved in invincible ignorance etc or that they are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
The answer to these three 
questions by the Secretary
 of Ecclesia Dei, changes
 a common misunderstanding
 of Vatican Council II and the
 documents of Pope Pius XII 
in particular.
Also the whole Church will
 now be able to come back
 to Tradition, meeting the 
SSPX's second demand.The 
Church will be able to 
come back to Tradition since
 all magisterial documents, 
including Vatican Council
 II will be interpreted
 according to Feeneyism
 ( no visible exceptions) and
 not Cushingism ( with visible 
exceptions to the dogma 
extra ecclesiam nulla salus.).
Catholics will know that 
the Holy Spirit is rational
 and that an irrational 
interpretation with 
Cushingism is not 
the teaching of the
 Catholic Church.A Catholic
 understanding of what 
the Magisterium really 
teaches will have changed.
Then if some one  says 
every one needs to enter
 the Church except for  
those in invincible  ignorance,
 elements of sanctification 
grace, seeds of the Word etc,
 their informed  response will
 be "This is irrational. We
 do not know of any of these
 cases for them to be 
exceptions in the present
 times to all needing to 
convert into the Church for
If someone still says that
 the baptism of desire  is an
 exception to the dogma 
extra ecclesiam nulla 
salus, they will respond," 
This is heresy. No Church 
text claims these cases
 are known exceptions. This
 is a personal, popular view.
 To deny or change an ex 
cathedra dogma like extra
 nulla salus is heresy. To 
claim the 
Nicene Creed says there
 is not one but three known
 baptisms for the 
forgiveness of sin is 
heresy. To claim 
that the Athanasius
 Creed says there is
 known salvation 
outside the Church is heresy."

This is the issue that Fr.
Jean Marie Gleize should 
take up with Mons. Guido
 Pozzo.He also needs 
to upgrade this information 
in his new books and in his
 theology classes at Econe.
Talks between the Vatican 
and the SSPX could begin 
once again since he would 
be teaching that  Vatican
 Council II is traditionalism 
when interpreted with
 Feeneyism not Cushingism.
 There is the hermeneutic 
of continuity with Tradition.
He could also comment on 
the irrationality in two 
of the theological papers of 
the International Theological
Christianity and the World 
The Hope of Salvation 
for  Infants who die without 
being baptized, which uses  
Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary,Pontificial 
Ecclesia Dei, Vatican City.
Tel: 06 698 2 E-mail: 

 MAY 28, 2016

Edward Pentin could ask 
Cardinal Muller if Vatican Council
 II can be interpreted with 
Feeneyism or Cushingism  ? - 2

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Edward Pentin could ask Cardinal
 Muller if Vatican Council II can
 be interpreted with Feeneyism or 
I make the distinction between 
Cushingism and Feeneyism in the
 interpretation of Vatican Council
 II and so Edward Pentin could 
mention this to Cardinal Gerhard 
Muller in his next interview.This 
could be a way out in the present
 SSPX -Vatican doctrinal issue.
Does Cardinal Muller and the 
Congregation for the Doctrine of 
the Faith (CDF)  consider this
 a possibility? For me, Cushingism
 says there are known exceptions
 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
 salus (EENS).It says the baptism of 
desire and blood, which excludes 
the baptism of water, refers to 
objective cases, known to human 
Feeneyism says there are no known
 exceptions to the dogma EENS , 
there are no objective cases of the
 baptism of desire or blood, with or 
without the baptism of water.So 
humanly speaking there are 
no physically visible exceptions to 
traditional EENS.
He could tell the CDF Prefect that 
the distinction between Cushingism
 and Feeneyism is made on the blog
 Eucharist and Mission (Lionel's 
blog)  and the blog owner(L.A)
 interprets Vatican Council 
II with Feeneyism as a philosophical
 reasoning and theology. He rejects 
Cushingism.Is he still a Catholic for 
the CDF ?
He also rejects the Cushingite reas
oning used in the Letter of the 
Holy Office 1949. So he accepts the 
first part of the Letter of the Holy 
Office 1949  which is Feeneyite and 
the rejects the second part of the 
Letter(1949) which is Cushingite. 
He(Lionel) interprets Vatican Council II
  and the first part of the Letter of
 the Holy Office 1949 with Feeneyism
 i.e hypothetical cases cannot be 
objectively seen, to be objective
 exceptions to the dogma extra 
ecclesiam nulla salus.The first part of 
Letter(1949) supports Fr.Leonard 
He could mention that Lionel is aware 
of the passages in Vatican Council II
 ( LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc)  
which are there because of the 
Cushingite interpretation of 
the Council Fathers.These passages
 should not have been placed in 
Vatican Council. They are there
 because of the error in the 1949
 magisterial reasoning in Boston and 
For the blog  eucharistandmission 
hypothetical references can only be
 known to God if they exist in 
reality.So they are not relevant or 
exceptions, to the dogma on 
exclusive salvation in the Church.

Cushingites assume that these 
hypothetical references are 
objective.They assume what
 is subjective for us is really 
objective.They confuse what
 is implicit as being explicit.The 
same confusion is there in Pope 
Francis' exhortation, Amoris 
So can Cardinal Muller accept a 
Feeneyite interpretation of 
Vatican Council II , the Catechism
 of the Catholic Church and the
 Letter of the Holy Office 1949?
The Feeneyite interpretation is
 rational and traditional while the
 Cushingite interpretation is 
irrational, non traditional and
 heretical.This can be plainly seen.
Edward Pentin has never spoken 
to Cardinal Muller about a 
Feeneyite and Cushingite  
interpretation of magisterial
 documents.Neither has any one 
in the Congregation for the 
Doctrine of the Faith,over the
 last few years commented on 
this issue, even though there 
are thousands of posts on line
 on this topic.
 Pentin could say that Lionel  
considers himself a Catholic, 
who accepts Vatican Council
 II and the traditional 
interpretation of the dogma
 EENS according to the 16th 
century missionaries, with 
the black and white concept,
 there being no known exceptions,
 no subjectivism.
 Pentin could also ask Bishop B
ernard Fellay or an SSPX theologian
  about this distinction. There is
 confusion among the SSPX 
priests. Since Archbishop Lefebvre 
was a Cushingite but the SSPX
 General Chapter Statement
 2012 is  Feeneyite.-Lionel Andrades


Pope Benedict wrongly assumed 
Robert Kennedy, Richard Cushing
 and the Vatican ( Holy Office'49) 
were objectively correct and 
Fr.Leonard Feeney made a mistake

The SSPX could interpret the dogma
 extra ecclesiam nulla salus and 
Vatican Council II as I do and reject
 the second part of the Letter of the 
Holy Office 1949 since it is
 irrational and non traditional
From my perspective it is 
Cardinal Muller and the SSPX
 who do not accept
 Vatican Council II (Feeneyite)
I accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and
 also implicit for us baptism of desire: I affirm the 
centuries old dogma and do not deny hypothetical
 and invisible for us baptism of desire and blood.:
 The Letter made an objective mistake

The Magisterial Heresy

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