So Boniface and the traditionalists affirm one thing ( Great Commission and need to enter the Church) but act in a manner contrary ( there are theological exceptions to the Great Commission)

 

 Thanks for the Homily, Father

The point is, you can't mentally affirm one thing but act in a manner contrary to it for forty years. You can't affirm the Great Commission is still a mandate while acting as if there is no particular class of people who actually need Christ and His Church. You cannot say the Great Commission applies to persons individually but not to the Church collectively (related: "The Great Commission is Institutional"). To purport to be able to do so is the worst form of Doublespeak, which the human mind cannot long endure. This is why, given a disconnect between what is taught and what is actually happening "on the ground", the praxis becomes dominant and the teaching fades into the background - not forgotten, but kind of ignored, as the woman noted about Purgatory...-Boniface, Unam Sanctam Catholicam
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Lionel:

The point is, you can't mentally affirm one thing but act in a manner contrary to it for forty years.

Yes we cannot affirm mentally that the catechumen who desires the baptism of water, died before receiving it, went to Heaven is a known case. We cannot act as if this imaginery personal is a known case in the past or present.This is what Boniface and the other traditionalist do.This is how they act. They express it in their writings and their talks.

We cannot say the popes and saints mentioned the baptism of desire and also not say that none of them said that these cases were explicit and objective.The popes and saints knew that these cases were hypothetical. This has to be said too.l It is common sense that they are hypothetical cases.Yet  Boniface and the traditionalists do not do so. So there are exceptions to the Great Commission in their words and actions. There are exceptions also to all needing the baptism of water for salvation according to the Bible ( John 2:5).

Boniface and the traditionalists affirm one thing( Great Commission and need to enter the Church) but act in a manner contrary ( there are  theological exceptions to the Great Commission).

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 You can't affirm the Great Commission is still a mandate while acting as if there is no particular class of people who actually need Christ and His Church.

Lionel: This is precisely what is done by Boniface, Chris Ferrara, John Vennari, John Salza and Robert Siscoe, Louie Verrecchio and the sedevacantists Fr. Anthony Cekada and Bishop Donald Sanborn.This is also the position of the conservatives Ralph Martin, Dr. Robert Fastiggi, Michael Voris...

Theologically there are people for all of them, who do not need Christ.Since there is salvation outside the Church. There is salvation outside the Church since the baptism of desire (BOD)  and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to physically known cases instead of invisible persons in our reality. Since these hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical they are projected as exceptions to the old ecclesiology based on the dogma EENS.This is the liberal interpretation of EENS. This is also the hermenutic for Vatican Council II approved by the liberals and the contemporary magisterium. It is all accepted by Boniface and the 'liberal traditionalists' who attend only the Traditional Latin Mass.

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 You cannot say the Great Commission applies to persons individually but not to the Church collectively (related: "The Great Commission is Institutional").

Lionel: Yes the Great Commission should be institutional, as in past centuries, but the contempoary magisterium interprets being saved in BOD and I.l as exceptions to the traditional Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.So the Church today has rejected the old ecclesiology. There are exceptions to the old teachings on ecumenism and salvation for non Christians.With the new theology, accepted by Boniface, there are exceptions to all needing to enter the Church. So there must also be exceptions to the Great Commission.

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To purport to be able to do so is the worst form of Doublespeak, which the human mind cannot long endure.

Lionel: Yes this is double speak.This is also the double speak of the SSPX and the sedevacantists. Their new theology says every one needs to enter the Church but some do not. We also can see the double speak in the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 1257). It says all need the baptism of water for salvation( defacto) but some do not.Why? Since God is not limited to the Sacraments.But God is not limited to the Sacraments is hypothetical. It is not defacto known in personal cases. However the confusion between what is visible and invisible, objective and hypothetical,explicit and implicit, is useful for double speak. Even the traditionalists and sedevacantists are supporting this confusion.They use this doublespeak.

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 This is why, given a disconnect between what is taught and what is actually happening "on the ground", the praxis becomes dominant and the teaching fades into the background - not forgotten, but kind of ignored, as the woman noted about Purgatory...-Boniface, Unam Sanctam Catholicam

Lionel: The praxis is in line with the irrational theology. The praxis reflects the new theology based on known cases of BOD and I.I as was postulated in the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The Letter used a false premise to create a new conclusion and the Church accepted it.Even Archbishop Lefebvre accepted it.
The traditionalists are proud to say that they are not Feeneyites. Like wise with the liberals.

The traditionalists have the same position on Vatican Council II as the liberals, even though there is a choice available i.e Vatican Council II with LG 16,LG 8 etc not being explicit and so not being exceptions to the old ecclesiology.
Instead Boniface and the tradtionalists have the same liberal position on the dogma EENS(Cushingite) which is politically correct with the Left and is a rupture with pre-Council of Trent understanding of EENS.

-Lionel Andrades