Comments from the blog 1Peter 5: Abp. Pozzo on SSPX: Disputed
Vatican II Documents Are Non-Doctrinal
He clearly established his own church and secretly established his own commissions that he admitted supplanted the juridical decisions of the One True Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church Jesus established and his secret commissions replaced the authoritative judgements of the Roman Rota and yet I am supposed to ignore all of that?
Lionel : He was faced with
magisterial heresy. There was
widespread change in
doctrine.Rome had left
the Faith and still has.
magisterial heresy. There was
widespread change in
doctrine.Rome had left
the Faith and still has.
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You demand blind obedience of a schismatic and you call that traditionalism.
Lionel: There cannot be blind
obedience to a magisterium
which interprets Vatican Council
II as a break with Tradition
and ignores a rational
and traditional alternative.
obedience to a magisterium
which interprets Vatican Council
II as a break with Tradition
and ignores a rational
and traditional alternative.
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It was the Abbe de Nantes who broke the story of Lefebvre's petit ecclesia to the trad world:
I read virtually everything Lefevbre wrote
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Both Pope Saint John Paul II (Ecclesia Dei) and then Cardinal Ratzinger (Address to the Bishops of Chile) publicy declared Lefevere was in schism.
Lionel: They had approved
the new theology.The new
theology was irrational.
It changed Catholic doctrine.
In a sense this was schism,
except, that they were the
magisterium.
the new theology.The new
theology was irrational.
It changed Catholic doctrine.
In a sense this was schism,
except, that they were the
magisterium.
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Those succoring the schism never accept the legitimacy of that decision or the authority of the Pope to do what the did and in that they y'all are like all other schismatics.
You were wise to try and change the subject from facts to emotion because Lefevbre had been caught out as a schismatic who had created his own church as the documentation at the link showed.
Lionel: He was not obliged
to accept Vatican Council II
Cushingite instead of Feeneyite.
to accept Vatican Council II
Cushingite instead of Feeneyite.
He was not obliged to accept
EENS Cushingite instead of
Feeneyite. He was not obliged
to accept the Nicene Creed
Cushingite instead of Feeneyite
and yet this was what was
expected of him by Pope John
Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger.
EENS Cushingite instead of
Feeneyite. He was not obliged
to accept the Nicene Creed
Cushingite instead of Feeneyite
and yet this was what was
expected of him by Pope John
Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger.
They still expect this of the
SSPX today. After so many
years there is no clarification
or correction from the Vatican.
SSPX today. After so many
years there is no clarification
or correction from the Vatican.
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The funny things now is that y'all are excited about reconciliation with a Pope and a Church y'all have routinely called heretical.
Lionel: The heresy can
be eliminated. Theologically
and doctrinally we can
return to rationality
and orthodoxy. The choice
is still there.
be eliminated. Theologically
and doctrinally we can
return to rationality
and orthodoxy. The choice
is still there.
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Why?
Y'all have your own church and in the future y'all be just the western version of the Orthodox schismatics.
Big deal...
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Papal Infallibility seems to be the bugbear.
The sspx has now come to reject Infallibility vis a vis Canonisations
Notice that it claims that God has the last word which is a mealy-mouthed way to reject the infallible judgement exorcise by the Catholic Church when it comes to Canonistaions.
Lionel: The magisterium
rejected the infallibility
of the pope ex cathedra when
it eliminated the defined
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salus which Pope Pius XII
called 'an infallible teaching'
( Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
rejected the infallibility
of the pope ex cathedra when
it eliminated the defined
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salus which Pope Pius XII
called 'an infallible teaching'
( Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
Since the dogma EENS
( Feeneyite) was changed into
the 'the dogma EENS
(Cushingite) the infallibility
of the pope ex cathedra was
eliminated.
( Feeneyite) was changed into
the 'the dogma EENS
(Cushingite) the infallibility
of the pope ex cathedra was
eliminated.
Fr.Hans Kung S.J considered
this a virtue of Vatican Council
II and praised Fr.John Courtney
Murray S.J. Since with explicit
-for us -LG 16 the dogma
EENS was eliminated. Since
there was alleged salvation
outside the Church.
this a virtue of Vatican Council
II and praised Fr.John Courtney
Murray S.J. Since with explicit
-for us -LG 16 the dogma
EENS was eliminated. Since
there was alleged salvation
outside the Church.
Archbishop Lefebvre knew
all this was wrong.He could
also see the praxis of the
new doctrinal position
of the Church.Ecclesiastical
Masonry was in schism.
all this was wrong.He could
also see the praxis of the
new doctrinal position
of the Church.Ecclesiastical
Masonry was in schism.
-Lionel Andrades
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