He clearly established his own church and secretly established his own commissions that he admitted supplanted the juridical decisions of the One True Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church Jesus established and his secret commissions replaced the authoritative judgements of the Roman Rota and yet I am supposed to ignore all of that?
Lionel : He was faced with magisterial heresy. There was widespread change in doctrine.Rome had left the Faith and still has.
You demand blind obedience of a schismatic and you call that traditionalism.
Lionel: There cannot be blind obedience to a magisterium which interprets Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition and ignores a rational and traditional alternative.
It was the Abbe de Nantes who broke the story of Lefebvre's petit ecclesia to the trad world:
Both Pope Saint John Paul II (Ecclesia Dei) and then Cardinal Ratzinger (Address to the Bishops of Chile) publicy declared Lefevere was in schism.
Lionel: They had approved the new theology.The new theology was irrational. It changed Catholic doctrine. In a sense this was schism, except, that they were the magisterium.
Those succoring the schism never accept the legitimacy of that decision or the authority of the Pope to do what the did and in that they y'all are like all other schismatics.
You were wise to try and change the subject from facts to emotion because Lefevbre had been caught out as a schismatic who had created his own church as the documentation at the link showed.
Lionel: He was not obliged to accept Vatican Council II Cushingite instead of Feeneyite.
He was not obliged to accept EENS Cushingite instead of Feeneyite. He was not obliged to accept the Nicene Creed Cushingite instead of Feeneyite and yet this was what was expected of him by Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger.
They still expect this of the SSPX today. After so many years there is no clarification or correction from the Vatican.
The funny things now is that y'all are excited about reconciliation with a Pope and a Church y'all have routinely called heretical.
Lionel: The heresy can be eliminated. Theologically and doctrinally we can return to rationality and orthodoxy. The choice is still there.
Y'all have your own church and in the future y'all be just the western version of the Orthodox schismatics.
Notice that it claims that God has the last word which is a mealy-mouthed way to reject the infallible judgement exorcise by the Catholic Church when it comes to Canonistaions.
Lionel: The magisterium rejected the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra when it eliminated the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called 'an infallible teaching' ( Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
Since the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite) was changed into the 'the dogma EENS (Cushingite) the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra was eliminated.
Fr.Hans Kung S.J considered this a virtue of Vatican Council II and praised Fr.John Courtney Murray S.J. Since with explicit -for us -LG 16 the dogma EENS was eliminated. Since there was alleged salvation outside the Church.
Archbishop Lefebvre knew all this was wrong.He could also see the praxis of the new doctrinal position of the Church.Ecclesiastical Masonry was in schism.